I know I am a rarity in this, but I never believed he molested children.

Granted I didn't follow all the allegations all that closely, but the reports I did see lacked credibility. Don't know. I hope not.

Did you get the new one?

Not yet.

but there need not be sex for there to be weirdness and shenanigans.

Absolutely. The guy clearly lacked boundaries. Continuing to have slumber parties with children (boys and girls, btw) after the first charges were dropped was deffinately foolish and probably inappropriate.

My favorite Michael Jackson era is between the early J-5 hits and Off the Wall. When he was still with his brothers, but grown into a tall, skinny young man. Check out his moves on Dancing Machine. That's what Original Nose Michael looks like. Check out the smile he flashes after doing the most awesome Robot imaginable. Also, Jermaine's a handsome dude.

I know I am a rarity in this, but I never believed he molested children.

Not a rarity. He was very odd, but I don't think he was a criminal. I think he was a victim of parents who see kids as a money-making commodity--both his own parents and the parents of the kids he tried to help.

I don't think he actually molested children. I do think there was probably some shenanigans. I don't think anything he did or anything that happened to him excuses anything he may have done, but I do think that his life was so screwed up and so far from normal, it renders any outside judgment about him pretty much impossible.

I do think he molested kids, because he exhibits all the traits of molesters--no real adult sexual or social life, fetishizing childhood, spending all his money/time to ensure he was surrounded by young boys, etc. The molester I taught with did ALL those things. He had comic books and Playboys and videogames and that kind of stuff at his house to make sure boys wanted to hang out with him. If he could have afforded Neverland, it's EXACTLY what he would have built. He had the exact same boy/man feel that MJ had as well.

He may never have had sex with the boys, but I will bet there was sexuality like mutual masturbation going on. It's sad for him and for them.

And I know he had a truly terrible childhood, but that is not a plausible reason for his fixation with young boys. His brothers and sisters had the exact same childhood and awful parents, and all of them have managed to have adult lives. They are also damaged, but not child-fixated the way Michael was.

I concur with Scrappy. I can't dismiss his behavior as shenanigans. I think he fucked up other kids the way he was fucked up. He perpetuated it, which is something I can judge him for.

Michael's childhood was different from that of his siblings. Because he was the "star", he worked far more than they did. He had to record the lead vocals for all of the songs, it's a lot easier to get the backing tracks down, so the siblings were finished. He also had to rehearse dancing a lot more, since they were all playing instruments, their dance moves were limited. Micheal had to be in the front,and "on" 24-7.

And again, I find myself pointing fingers at the parents.

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