They were the subject of a couple of documentaries on TLC for having popped out multiple sprog.

Then it became a series, in part because Kate is a raging shrew.

Started the moment they went on air. They came to us with their relationship.

I don't care. I don't think that justifies the type of arrogance and contempt that I'm seeing. This may just be my opinion, but the marriage thing is hard enough without millions of unqualified people judging your interactions.

They had twins, and then sextuplets. And for the past few years, have had a weekly reality series on TLC. Which, until this year, was usually things like fun outings while Kate freaked out about every bit of dirt. (When they were in Disney World, and a three-year-old girl spilled some ice cream on her shirt, Kate was crying, "She's ruined! She's ruined!" as she tried to clean her up.)

Yeah, but Dana, they can't have it both ways. They can't parade their crap on television, then whine about the public intruding on their private lives and not expect fallout.

They can't parade their crap on television, then whine about the public intruding on their private lives and not expect fallout.

t shrug I still don't think it justifies the things people are saying. She's an ugly bitch. They're horrible people. The children are spawn. It's her fault. It's his fault. They should have aborted some of the kids. He should beat her because she's so mean. And so on.

haven't watched any o them on tv. Won't. Can't. I pretty much have problems for a lot of reality shows -- I value privacy. I really can't even justify watching-- because I would feel hypocritical.

and from what I have observed -- marriages are a mystery. I know why mine works, i can guess why others work, but there are a whole bunch out there that are incomprehensible.

I still don't think it justifies the things people are saying.

I think that many of the people are completely out of control, but the relevant difference between my parents' marriage and theirs is that they told the out of control people about theirs. And they told me (or, more accurately, my TiVo) and that's more than just leaving your house with the door open and hoping no one talks trash about your decorating style. It's inviting people in, including ones who are nasty.

I still don't think it justifies the things people are saying.

Ew. Ugh. I didn't know it had gotten that terrible. I know that some of the reviews for last night's premiere were fairly harsh, but that's because Kate apparently continues to come off so arrogantly. (And the reviews I read were very sympathetic to the kids.)

Full disclosure, I've never watched the show, but lately, you just can't escape seeing mention of them. I do avoid the comments sections for any articles online, however. I can't take it.

I do avoid the comments sections for any articles online, however. I can't take it.

Always a wise choice.

I know that some of the reviews for last night's premiere were fairly harsh, but that's because Kate apparently continues to come off so arrogantly. (And the reviews I read were very sympathetic to the kids.)

I actually thought that last night's was edited and framed to be really sympathetic to Kate, and not at all to Jon. It was all Kate taking care of the kids, planning their birthday party, getting everything together, and Jon showing up after the party already started and whining about having to do a few things. I have no idea what actually happened there, but those were the scenes that made it through editing.