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Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


NoiseDesign - May 26, 2009 11:17:07 am PDT #10976 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

"This person who wasn't part of my family before IS, now." for all sorts of legal reasons, and I can't see calling that anything but marriage.

See, I'm of the radical thought that all marriages between same sex, different sex, box turtle and vulcan etc etc should be made into domestic partnerships in the eyes of the government. If folks want some kind of religious or spiritual wedding beyond that, then it is their deal, and it's between them and their church, or synagogue, or spaghetti monster, or whatever.

The legal domestic partnership is about the legal rights afforded. The marriage is about whatever spirituality the couple may, or may not want to add onto that.

As an atheist it bugs the crap out of me that religion gets into the middle of a legal partnership.


Laga - May 26, 2009 11:20:48 am PDT #10977 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Wait, which parents are supposed to pay for the wedding?

Traditionally, the bride's parents. I think it might be more common these days to spilt the bill.


-t - May 26, 2009 11:21:33 am PDT #10978 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

all marriages between same sex, different sex, box turtle and vulcan etc etc should be made into domestic partnerships in the eyes of the government. If folks want some kind of religious or spiritual wedding beyond that, then it is their deal, and it's between them and their church, or synagogue, or spaghetti monster, or whatever.

I don't really see how that's different from what we have now. To get married, you need a license. You can have a religious representative officiate or not.


Laga - May 26, 2009 11:22:41 am PDT #10979 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Right now straights have marriage and everyone else has domestic partnership. That sounds like "separate but equal" to me and it must not stand.


tommyrot - May 26, 2009 11:24:01 am PDT #10980 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Traditionally, the bride's parents.

Huh. My parents lucked out then, as their one daughter cannot currently marry her partner (and last time I talked to them, they had no interest in getting married. They are registered as Domestic Partners in the City of Madison, however.)


NoiseDesign - May 26, 2009 11:24:29 am PDT #10981 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

That's the thing, it's pretty much what we have now, but since it's called Marriage all kinds of church and religious issues get caught up into it. The idea of just having a legal contract seems to be okay for some people for gay marriage, and my take is that, well if it's that good, and it is truly equal, then all marriages become a simple legal contract called a domestic partnership and we remove the term marriage from it.

If folks want the term marriage applied to their union, then it is something they can do but that has no legal impact on the domestic partnership.


-t - May 26, 2009 11:24:55 am PDT #10982 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Gotcha. I can see that argument, but in some ways that seems like an even harder change to make than expanding who has the right to marry.


Laga - May 26, 2009 11:27:01 am PDT #10983 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

At my wedding we (the bride and groom) paid for most things, the groom's parents paid for some things and my Dad picked up the enormous bar tab.


Fred Pete - May 26, 2009 11:27:45 am PDT #10984 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

everyone else has domestic partnership

Depends on what state you live in. Most states don't have anything at all for the rest of us.

And for the record, I certainly wouldn't mind the churches handling something called "marriage" and the government handling something called "civil union" or "domestic partnership" or the like.


Polter-Cow - May 26, 2009 11:30:22 am PDT #10985 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Sex with ducks and gay marriage are one and the same.