Tracy: Well-- That call -- That call means you just murdered me. Mal: No, son. You murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet a while.

'The Message'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Jan 24, 2008 4:42:53 pm PST #5270 of 10001

My mom said it wasn't the terrible twos, it was the evil threes. I was a demon child then. Apparently, my behavior at 12 was similar...


aurelia - Jan 24, 2008 4:46:27 pm PST #5271 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Mexican sounds good to me (Is the name Cocina Barro?). I'll probably get out of here sometime around 5:15-5:30. Want to meet at the restaurant?


flea - Jan 24, 2008 4:49:24 pm PST #5272 of 10001
information libertarian

I just get so fed up with whining. She can completely outlast all my resolutions to ignore it and wait her out. She is extremely strong-willed, but at the same time really vulnerable and, you know, four.

Three for us was a lot of deliberate rudeness and sassiness. It was sort of a preview of the teenage years, I suspect (woe). That part is mostly gone now.


Kat - Jan 24, 2008 4:52:39 pm PST #5273 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

ACK. Discipline convo! ACK.

Related: This weekend, we were at a friend's house. They don't have kids and like to sleep in. This is not conducive to Noah's 5 AM wake up. And K and I worked really hard at keeping baby happy and quiet for teh most part. At one point the friend was talking to Noah and said, "You know at some point your parents will learn how to say No to you" and I had to be stopped from ripping her head off. I wanted to say, "Yeah. I was a perfect parent too before I had real kids."


Aims - Jan 24, 2008 4:54:43 pm PST #5274 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

At one point the friend was talking to Noah and said, "You know at some point your parents will learn how to say No to you"

Ooooh....like a mammal I would have flipped.

I mean, we don't give in to every single want of Emeline's. But sometimes, saying yes can mean the difference between a good time and a really horrible time. And even if I don't want her to have something, if it means keeping her happy right then, fuck it - she gets it. Meaning like a cookie or other treat that normally she doesn't get. Not like, "oooh! A pony."


Aims - Jan 24, 2008 4:55:41 pm PST #5275 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Also also ... Noah is still in total baby stage. What can you say "no" to at that age (6 months?)? Food? Dry diaper? Good heavens.

ETA: Jeebus. Almost a YEAR??? Holrey Morey!! Time has flown!


flea - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:11 pm PST #5276 of 10001
information libertarian

IMO there is no such thing as discipline until you're nearing 2. They genuinely do not understand cause and effect at all. Discipline is more like cleverly outwitting them and removing obstacle to cooperation before they notice them.

My mother, on the other hand, thinks I am some kind of communist for believing this, and told me my six month old was manipulating me. And she HAD kids!


sarameg - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:36 pm PST #5277 of 10001

Erm, hope I don't dispirit you, flea. That sounds familiar.

(12 was the thing that's been a revelation to me since, about family-peoples. After some hissy I had, my mother told me "I love you, but I don't really like you right now." It's been a sentiment I've needed to apply on occasion and I bless her for giving me the words to express and embrace the emotional turbulence.)


shrift - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:59 pm PST #5278 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Mexican sounds good to me (Is the name Cocina Barro?). I'll probably get out of here sometime around 5:15-5:30. Want to meet at the restaurant?

I think that's the name! Margaritas and mole it is. I'll be at the restaurant at 5:30.


flea - Jan 24, 2008 4:58:27 pm PST #5279 of 10001
information libertarian

I was the surliest 14 year old ever. (We're late bloomers in my family). And the best maternal button-pusher. I fully expect to see payback for this in 10 years.