I am a large, semi-muscular man. I can take it. Don't hide behind Mal 'cause you know he'll shoot it down for you. Tell me.

Wash ,'War Stories'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Aims - Jan 24, 2008 4:55:41 pm PST #5275 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Also also ... Noah is still in total baby stage. What can you say "no" to at that age (6 months?)? Food? Dry diaper? Good heavens.

ETA: Jeebus. Almost a YEAR??? Holrey Morey!! Time has flown!


flea - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:11 pm PST #5276 of 10001
information libertarian

IMO there is no such thing as discipline until you're nearing 2. They genuinely do not understand cause and effect at all. Discipline is more like cleverly outwitting them and removing obstacle to cooperation before they notice them.

My mother, on the other hand, thinks I am some kind of communist for believing this, and told me my six month old was manipulating me. And she HAD kids!


sarameg - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:36 pm PST #5277 of 10001

Erm, hope I don't dispirit you, flea. That sounds familiar.

(12 was the thing that's been a revelation to me since, about family-peoples. After some hissy I had, my mother told me "I love you, but I don't really like you right now." It's been a sentiment I've needed to apply on occasion and I bless her for giving me the words to express and embrace the emotional turbulence.)


shrift - Jan 24, 2008 4:56:59 pm PST #5278 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Mexican sounds good to me (Is the name Cocina Barro?). I'll probably get out of here sometime around 5:15-5:30. Want to meet at the restaurant?

I think that's the name! Margaritas and mole it is. I'll be at the restaurant at 5:30.


flea - Jan 24, 2008 4:58:27 pm PST #5279 of 10001
information libertarian

I was the surliest 14 year old ever. (We're late bloomers in my family). And the best maternal button-pusher. I fully expect to see payback for this in 10 years.


Kat - Jan 24, 2008 5:01:21 pm PST #5280 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

But sometimes, saying yes can mean the difference between a good time and a really horrible time.

And I wanted to say, "If you want to be able to sleep in and not be woken up by this baby at 5 AM, you'll give in."

My mother, on the other hand, thinks I am some kind of communist for believing this, and told me my six month old was manipulating me. And she HAD kids!

Of COURSE babies are manipulative. It's how they stay alive. If they didn't manipulate us, they'd be left in their carseat on the curb with a sign that says "Free to okay home."

Discipline is more like cleverly outwitting them and removing obstacle to cooperation before they notice them.

But this is also true of 13 year olds!


sarameg - Jan 24, 2008 5:06:11 pm PST #5281 of 10001

"You know at some point your parents will learn how to say No to you" and I had to be stopped from ripping her head off. I wanted to say, "Yeah. I was a perfect parent too before I had real kids."

Yeash. He's a BABY. Their sleep cycles are not adult human. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, neither are my parents. Or yours, Kat! Babies aren't supposed to be. (The rest of you all are just weirdos.) But that's the collision of people unfamiliar with babies and those that are.

Also? Yeah to the perfect parent thing. And I'm not a parent! Just a very much part-timer. Still, I'll have my Views. But I try to cram them down because, look, I'm not living it. When I do, even part-time, well then I can try out my schtick. Until then, I should stick with suggestions, not judgements.

Of course, I still fail, sometimes.


Aims - Jan 24, 2008 5:07:28 pm PST #5282 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I still fail, sometimes.

Should be on a t-shirt and worn by every parent ever.


msbelle - Jan 24, 2008 5:09:12 pm PST #5283 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Taking away something at the moment (other than turning off a tv or sending him to his room) will always escalate the meltdown for mac. It's been a hard thing for me to realize in the moment that I can usually control the turn of his mood by how I react at the first outburst or bad behavior.

Kat, you showed great restraint in not slapping that friend. I've verbal slapped a few childless people in my life when they said similar.


aurelia - Jan 24, 2008 5:10:14 pm PST #5284 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I think that's the name! Margaritas and mole it is. I'll be at the restaurant at 5:30.

See you then!