For some reason the art/craft discussion has made me flash on the "death is your art" line from Buffy. Was it really her art, or was it her craft? I'd say the lines definitely blurred at times (using her skills on routine patrol being craft, while a more personal use of her skills probably edged over towards art).
Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.
Kaylee ,'Shindig'
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Frankenbuddha - Mar 26, 2008 7:28:42 am PDT #4675 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Miracleman - Mar 26, 2008 7:30:14 am PDT #4676 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
For some reason the art/craft discussion has made me flash on the "death is your art" line from Buffy. Was it really her art, or was it her craft? I'd say the lines definitely blurred at times (using her skills on routine patrol being craft, while a more personal use of her skills probably edged over towards art).
Well, based on Tom Scola's criteria, which work as well as any, it was her art...because it definitely rated high on the Coolness axis.
megan walker - Mar 26, 2008 7:32:18 am PDT #4677 of 10000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
That way lies madness and/or semiotics.
Frank, please to tag?
Also, "Art", according to the first definition of Webster's unabridged:
the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
Although Tom Scola's Theory of Cool has a much better ring to it.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 26, 2008 7:32:39 am PDT #4678 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Well, based on Tom Scola's criteria, which work as well as any, it was her art...because it definitely rated high on the Coolness axis.
Heh, but you're probably not going to get much empathy from/with vampires.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 26, 2008 7:33:45 am PDT #4679 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Frank, please to tag?
I'd be honored!
Hayden - Mar 26, 2008 7:52:09 am PDT #4680 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
I felt a lot more empathy for Potemkin when I realized that Eisenstein cast himself as the crazy padre.
Anyway, I have no dog in this hunt, but I am suffering a bit of cognitive dissonance that it's David, champion of the plastic and the pre-fab and scourge of that dirty word "authenticity," who is making the more exclusionary argument about who can wear the mantle of the artist. Well, I'm off to go stick a feather in my cap and call it macaroni.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 26, 2008 7:55:03 am PDT #4681 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I am suffering a bit of cognitive dissonance that it's David, champion of the plastic and the pre-fab and scourge of that dirty word "authenticity," who is making the more exclusionary argument about who can wear the mantle of the artist.
Hence my query about bubble gum music.
Sue - Mar 26, 2008 7:55:51 am PDT #4682 of 10000
hip deep in pie
I too still think Precious Moments count as art -- though crappy art
I don't know. Somewhere it's crossed the line into commerce for me. Are the Precious Moments characters create to express something, or to make money? What's the prime Motivation?
Which leads us back to Michael Bay. I'm less and less inclined to call commercial films art. Some filmmakers have an artistic intent or spark, but when the studios, producers and marketers get involved, a film becomes a product, or a commodity. The language of Hollywood is way more about selling and packaging than it is about creating. I'm just not sure where the line is between art and commerce in film. They're all commercial products in a way.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2008 7:55:51 am PDT #4683 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Heh, but you're probably not going to get much empathy from/with vampires.
Tell that to Spike's fans circa 2002.
megan walker - Mar 26, 2008 8:00:48 am PDT #4684 of 10000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
I don't know. Somewhere it's crossed the line into commerce for me. Are the Precious Moments characters create to express something, or to make money? What's the prime Motivation?
Well, by that standard, many great painters and composers would not be artists. Or say, anything on Broadway.