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Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape  

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sj - Jan 18, 2008 3:00:31 am PST #3385 of 10000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I read a few adoption related blogs and those people all, like every single one, hated the movie and thought it was deceptive and did a real disservice to pregnant teenagers. But everyone everywhere else, here, for example, has seemed to really enjoy the movie - thought is was great, in fact.

That's interesting. My aunt, who adopted two children, absolutely loved the movie. What specifically did they find deceptive?

I'm sure it was completely unrealistic about adoption, but I would imagine it was unrealistic in the way that almost anything in a movie was unrealistic.

I agree with this.


Jesse - Jan 18, 2008 3:02:52 am PST #3386 of 10000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, thank goodness. I was afraid I hadn't made any sense at all! But you know that things in movies are always less boring than things in real life, so I don't really think you can do adoption with a phone call and a handshake (which is essentially how it was portrayed in Juno), but the real life stuff is probably much more tedious to watch.


sj - Jan 18, 2008 3:06:29 am PST #3387 of 10000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

so I don't really think you can do adoption with a phone call and a handshake (which is essentially how it was portrayed in Juno), but the real life stuff is probably much more tedious to watch.

I can handwave all of that away with the presence of the lawyer in the scene, assuming their is more tedious legal stuff that happened off-screen.


Stephanie - Jan 18, 2008 3:10:47 am PST #3388 of 10000
Trust my rage

What specifically did they find deceptive?

One of my favorite blogs, written by a woman who, along with her partner, have domestically adopted 2 little girls, had this to say: [link] Here's the summary:

Though one might say the movie was not "unrealistic" (Juno's lack of legal or other representation, her isolation from others who share her experience, her detachment from grief after placement), neither did the film problematize any of this or suggest any alternate versions of the story.

In the end, the film heartily endorsed the agenda of a return to the bad-old "baby-scoop" days and thus yes, a return the days (if they are indeed over) of women's sexuality being shameful and not within women's own control. And thus yes, a return to the days (if they are indeed over) when abortion was not readily or safely available.

If you knew nothing about adoption going into the film, you'd learn that adoption is sweet and birth mothers have no issues. If you had fairly mainstream knowledge of adoption, you'd leave with nothing new. But if you know about adoption from any part of its the insides, you might well judge, like me, that it does a terrible disservice to the field

I just thought the different reactions were really interesting. Obviously, she has way more invested in adoption than the average viewer, but her description of the movie makes it sound so...I don't know...like Juno just drops off her baby and rides off into the sunset to live happily ever after.

Perhaps I need to wait until I'm not pregnant to be able to enjoy a movie like this.


bon bon - Jan 18, 2008 3:23:31 am PST #3389 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

They don't really make it explicit, but if Juno didn't have any feelings about giving up her baby, the movie would lose an awful lot of its conflict. It would be a really weird movie if it was like Juno was giving up some kind of object that meant nothing to her.


sj - Jan 18, 2008 3:32:14 am PST #3390 of 10000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

If Juno wasn't very much invested in her baby's future she wouldn't care so much about the parents she chose for him and their marriage. She loved the idea that her baby would be raised by someone who loved music and horror movies, etc., because she cared about how her child would be raised.


Jessica - Jan 18, 2008 3:32:29 am PST #3391 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

In the end, the film heartily endorsed the agenda of a return to the bad-old "baby-scoop" days and thus yes, a return the days (if they are indeed over) of women's sexuality being shameful and not within women's own control. And thus yes, a return to the days (if they are indeed over) when abortion was not readily or safely available.

I came away from the movie thinking quite a bit about this, but I'm not sure what I would have liked the movie to have done differently in terms of dealing with it.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 18, 2008 4:43:43 am PST #3392 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I just noticed looking at the ad in the Phoenix that CLOVERFIELD was written by Drew Goddard. Huh.


Nutty - Jan 18, 2008 5:00:45 am PST #3393 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Okay, not that I had any intention of seeing it anyway, but Manohla Dargis's one-sentence review of Cloverfield:

Rarely have I rooted for a monster with such enthusiasm.

[link]


SailAweigh - Jan 18, 2008 5:01:45 am PST #3394 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Interestingly enough, Willie Waffle gave Cloverfield four waffles. High praise. He thought the monster was very well done. Now, I'm curious to see the movie just to weigh in on the monster factor. From what he said, it sounded more like what you don't see of the moster for the most of the movie is what builds the tension and that he didn't find seeing the whole monster a let down. The local morning DJ asked him if it was a King Kong level of believabilty (I'm thinking the Fay Wray version here) and Willie said no, better.