Nah - I don't think its a fantasy in the sense that men want it. It's a fantasy in that it is a nightmare. I don't know that it is more a male nightmare than a female one - but if it is it may (as I said) be because it is the ultimate castration nightmare.
On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!
Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'
All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American
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Typo Boy - May 12, 2003 11:44:29 pm PDT #4699 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Burrell - May 12, 2003 11:47:32 pm PDT #4700 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Dude, it's not worth spending two seconds thinking about. And yet people have written 100s of pages on it trying to rationalize it. You can't tell me that's a nightmare.
Typo Boy - May 12, 2003 11:51:40 pm PDT #4701 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Burrell - seriously trying to rationalize it? You mean as in "this is a good thing". Or "this is route we should go". Because that is new to me. I've run into as extended premises for stories - but always as pretty horrible (0r in some cases comically horrific) stories.
Noumenon - May 13, 2003 4:04:17 am PDT #4702 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti
Hey, Jim, maybe you ought to add a link to the Zmayhem FAQ in your Press post, because that did its job really well, I thought. No one should miss it.
Theodosia - May 13, 2003 6:12:31 am PDT #4703 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
One thing I like about Futurama is that it follows up on a bunch of really SFnal tropes like "heads in jars" and all that.
Cindy - May 13, 2003 6:49:57 am PDT #4704 of 9843
Nobody
All the head in a jar talk is hard to swallow with coffee. But in a weird (and bizarre and horrifying)way it sounds like the ultimate in asceticism. I wouldn't know how it reads or plays, because I don't think I could read or watch such a story. Despite my body image demons, I'm still glad I have one. But still...
§ ita § - May 13, 2003 7:29:55 am PDT #4705 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see anything male about the head in a jar thing ... it's about sentience, about consciousness, isn't it? Integration/differentiation, that stuff. I've not read any happy stories about it, but as a bit of conjecture it strikes me as no weirder than many, and no less "deserving" of print space.
sarameg - May 13, 2003 7:35:20 am PDT #4706 of 9843
All the head in a jar talk is hard to swallow with coffee.
It would be really hard to swallow coffee if your head was in ajar?
(sorry, that's all I've got. I think the coffee hasn't hit the brain yet.)
Jim - May 13, 2003 7:37:20 am PDT #4707 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
It's an expression of Cartesian duality - it turns up in Beckett's trilogy as the last stage of Malloy/Mallone/Worm's descent.
§ ita § - May 13, 2003 7:38:58 am PDT #4708 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sara, you can have the head in coffee.
All caffeine, all the time.
Jim -- I knew there was a fancy term sitting out there waiting for me to learn.