I just think you're freakin' out 'cause you have to fight someone prettier than you.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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Angus G - May 12, 2003 7:51:25 am PDT #4662 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Hmm, I think I'd take that page with a large grain of salt. (Especially this: "Much to the embarrassment of the Vatican, the Catholic theologian Boswell has uncovered proof that, up until the fourteenth century, the church was routinely performing wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples"...that's actually been pretty conclusively discredited if I'm not mistaken.) I like the slogan "Thank a Homosexual for Your Bible" though!


Gus - May 12, 2003 8:04:48 am PDT #4663 of 9843
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

(Please pardon a sidebar, here. My travelling companion Becky and I will be in London without plans on 13 May, awaiting a flight out on the 14th. Are there any London Buffistas who might like to meet up and spill a few libations? The profile address is working.)

t /sidebar


Leigh - May 12, 2003 8:06:59 am PDT #4664 of 9843
Nobody

I feel all out of my depth in regards to the historical context of Shakespeare's work since I've avoided the subject like the plague (the thought of all that referencing for essays frightened me deeply). Though I do sometimes wonder whether it's even possible to do an English Major properly without having studied history.

In my opinion, R&J is more about "Look what a pair of nitwits they are!" (a la Anthony and Cleopatra) than about Twoooo Wuuuuuv.

Me and a friend of mine have a famous argument about Baz Luhrmann's R+J, where she thought he over-romanticised the story and I thought the 'look at the dumb-as-fuck teenagers' aspect was pretty blatant. Admittedly, though, most of my love for that movie comes from it's absolutely gorgeous score. I'm such a whore for a good score, which is another excuse I use for the whole Titanic fiasco (Celine Dion aside of course--I'm speaking strictly instrumentals).

To be annoyingly on topic - I just watched Buffy, the Willow-turns-into-Warren episode. Am I the only one who doesn't hate Kennedy? She's not a favourite character or anything, but I like her and Willow together, more than I ever liked Tara/Willow t /sacrilege Does she get rampantly irritating later in the season or something? Because the fandom hate-on just seems mystifying to me at the moment.

Edit: Hmm something seems to be eating the last paragraph of all my posts -- wait, it's not doing it anymore, so nevermind. And I just realised in the re-type that I missed something out, so--more editing. Someone pry my hands from the keyboard or I'll never stop.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 12, 2003 8:07:43 am PDT #4665 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Yes-- salt taken. Here's another interesting page. At the moment, I've only skimmed, but it raises some interesting points:

from the early seventeenth century, if not earlier, there was a widespread appreciation of the existence of a sort of transvestite and male prostitution subculture, and by the early nineteenth century it was often assumed in court cases that a married man was less likely to be guilty of buggery offences with another man.


Angus G - May 12, 2003 8:15:41 am PDT #4666 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Though I do sometimes wonder whether it's even possible to do an English Major properly without having studied history.

Well, that's what I did...but that does mean I always feel like I'm fudging a lot on history (ha, now I tell you all!), and literary studies is more history-focused than it's ever been, so I'd definitely recommend doing some history if you have the chance/inclination. (Then again maybe insanely detailed historical analysis will go out of fashion in lit crit and we can all get back to good old fashioned close reading or inpenetrable abstract theorising...here's hoping! t wink )


Angus G - May 12, 2003 8:19:18 am PDT #4667 of 9843
Roguish Laird

That last link looks terrific and very reliable Am-Chau; Jeffrey Weeks is an extremely well-respected historian in this area.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 12, 2003 8:22:59 am PDT #4668 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Jeffrey Weeks is an extremely well-respected historian in this area.

That's good to know-- I'll give it the time for a careful read through.


Leigh - May 12, 2003 8:25:17 am PDT #4669 of 9843
Nobody

Then again maybe insanely detailed historical analysis will go out of fashion in lit crit and we can all get back to good old fashioned close reading or inpenetrable abstract theorising...here's hoping!

Dear lord, please let this happen. I get to have two Arts subjects a semester, I don't wanna do history! t /whine My main reason for avoiding the subject was the having to have a source which will back up your wild theories (whereas in English you can have a theory and there's no need for anyone but the marker to agree with you *cough*), but since nothing can be as hellish as the citing required of my first Law assignment, I should just give up on using that as an excuse.


Angus G - May 12, 2003 8:27:27 am PDT #4670 of 9843
Roguish Laird

whereas in English you can have a theory and there's no need for anyone but the marker to agree with you *cough*

It's funny because it's true!


amych - May 12, 2003 8:28:51 am PDT #4671 of 9843
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

It's funny because it's true!

No, really, it's not. t /humorless ex-English teacher