Yes, I pretty much thought it was a heterosexual love story too. t /naive
I also liked Lurman's R&J. And I thought the cast was good. Although I was sorry the Nurse's best lines got cut.
Riley: Oh, yeah. Sorry 'bout last time. Heard I missed out on some fun. Xander: Oh yeah, fun was had. Also frolic, merriment and near-death hijinks.
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Fay - May 11, 2003 2:26:25 pm PDT #4632 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
meara - May 11, 2003 2:38:40 pm PDT #4633 of 9843
Oh, I just assumed he meant it was a fucked up and crazy "love" story! Not that the het-ness was in question. Angus?
Julie - May 11, 2003 3:13:47 pm PDT #4634 of 9843
I heart this thread..
Everything from Buffy to Shakespeare via Jondalar and chinois and aging necrophilic dwarves and inisipip posh twits and chocolate bikkies, then back again.
The Buffistas World's contracted thus.
t /board love. Must go monday.
Fay - May 11, 2003 3:17:43 pm PDT #4635 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
There were aging necrophiliac dwarves? How did I miss this?
Betsy HP - May 11, 2003 3:49:53 pm PDT #4636 of 9843
If I only had a brain...
In my opinion, R&J is more about "Look what a pair of nitwits they are!" (a la Anthony and Cleopatra) than about Twoooo Wuuuuuv. Painfully young (even by Elizabethan terms) idiots are carried away by forces they ought to resist.
Your Shakespeare May Vary.
Having finished watching the Manor/Edwardian House, I have to say that future generations, when asking "What's a git, daddy?" will be directed to videos of "Sir" John Oliff-Cooper.
§ ita § - May 11, 2003 3:54:44 pm PDT #4637 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm just starting watching "Manor House", so one episode in I'm mostly reeling at the missing scullery maid. I can't wait until the next ep.
Betsy HP - May 11, 2003 3:57:49 pm PDT #4638 of 9843
If I only had a brain...
I'm amazed they could find anybody to do that job. In Edwardian times it was scull or starve. Nowadays, it's scull or live with your mum and eat takeout Indian.
Not difficult, that.
You'll see soon enough why the scullery maid who stays does so. Hint: it isn't the working conditions.
§ ita § - May 11, 2003 4:09:12 pm PDT #4639 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How much did they know before they showed up? Was that girl really extraordinarily stupid? The first one, I mean ... did one of the footmen have anything to do with the second one?
Typo Boy - May 11, 2003 4:40:05 pm PDT #4640 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
In my opinion, R&J is more about "Look what a pair of nitwits they are!" (a la Anthony and Cleopatra) than about Twoooo Wuuuuuv. Painfully young (even by Elizabethan terms) idiots are carried away by forces they ought to resist.
Crazy nitwits Betsy. I think theme of madness iin R&J is essential. I suspect that to Shakespeare who as a man of his times must have seen passion as an almost physical force, the mad passion of Romeo and Juliet for one another was not a contrast to, but an expression of the mad passionate hatred of the two houses for one another. The philosophy and science of the day was all about balance of humors. I suspect that in Elisabethean times it would seem the most natural thing in the world for an unbalanced, unrestrained hatred between families to express itself in an equally unbalanced unrestrained loved between two dimwitted members of those same families.
Betsy HP - May 11, 2003 5:04:37 pm PDT #4641 of 9843
If I only had a brain...
ita, supposedly everybody was told, but I think the reality hit everybody pretty hard. Look at how freaked out the second footman was by carrying a chamberpot, even though he'd been warned.
You'll see -- the third scullery maid will be dragged into the kitchen and shown what's up before they let her sign on.