I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent the next six hours watchin' my hand move.

Spike ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Fred Pete - Aug 12, 2005 7:05:20 am PDT #7676 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

I don't think it's harmful for children to see their same-gender parents naked and be able to identify with them body-image wise

I'll agree as a general rule, and there may even be valid reasons to do so (demonstrating proper hygiene and potty training come to mind). But "take your son into the shower so he can see your genitalia" is squickmaking at best.


§ ita § - Aug 12, 2005 7:15:27 am PDT #7677 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm slightly traumatised by the idea of being invited into the shower to see parental genitalia.

Haitian-born woman next Canadian Governor General.


Sue - Aug 12, 2005 7:22:05 am PDT #7678 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Haitian-born woman next Canadian Governor General.

Apparently the secret of becoming Governor General is to work for the CBC.


Emily - Aug 12, 2005 7:45:10 am PDT #7679 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

growing up straight isn’t something that happens. It requires good parenting.

Because in the wild, you see, everything is gay. Cavemen? Gay. Ancient Egyptians? Please. Honestly, everyone up until the birth of Christ -- gay, because no Christian family values! Oh, maybe the girls weren't gay (due to the immense drawing power of the penis), but let's be honest here, who cares?


msbelle - Aug 12, 2005 7:52:03 am PDT #7680 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

not for nuthin, but if they are gonna say that gay is a choice, they have to also say straight is a choice, right?


§ ita § - Aug 12, 2005 7:56:24 am PDT #7681 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

they have to also say straight is a choice, right?

Not if gay is something that straight people can choose to be. Like how my blonde hair is more of a choice than not bleaching it is.

Fact is, Captain Logic has been sent to walk the plank on that particular tugboat. They will do nothing that doesn't serve their precise ends.


Rick - Aug 12, 2005 7:59:34 am PDT #7682 of 10002

I'm not sure I think it's that, but I'm kind of mystified how they think this is supposed to work.

It's based on an old psychoanalytic idea about identification with the same-sex parent. Noticing superficial physical similarities to the same-sex parent is supposed to lead the child to identify with and take on the more complicated sex-specific values and behaviors of the same-sex parent.

As is the case for most old psychoanalytic ideas, it is difficult to find any evidence to support this one.


Gudanov - Aug 12, 2005 8:03:52 am PDT #7683 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Because in the wild, you see, everything is gay. Cavemen? Gay. Ancient Egyptians? Please. Honestly, everyone up until the birth of Christ -- gay, because no Christian family values!

Preventing boys going gay takes constant vigilance. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!


P.M. Marc - Aug 12, 2005 8:08:44 am PDT #7684 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Preventing boys going gay takes constant vigilance. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

I heard Batman's voice in my head when I read this, and cannot explain just how funny that was to me.


Steph L. - Aug 12, 2005 8:12:47 am PDT #7685 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Preventing boys going gay takes constant vigilance. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

I heard Batman's voice in my head when I read this, and cannot explain just how funny that was to me.

And yet, I imagine many people understand just how funny it was.

....now try reading it with this minor edit: "Preventing boys going gay takes constant vigilance, Jim. CONSTANT VIGILANCE, JIM!"