We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.

Mal ,'Serenity'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 12:25:37 pm PDT #5090 of 10002
brillig

Why would it be a reference to Lolita? I suspect I'm too literal some times.


Jen - Jul 13, 2004 12:30:36 pm PDT #5091 of 10002
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

There's a poem that Humbert writes to Lolita that talks about a starling:

Wanted, wanted: Dolores Haze.
Hair: brown. Lips: scarlet.
Age: five thousand three hundred days.
Profession: none, or "starlet"

Where are you hiding, Dolores Haze?
Why are you hiding, darling?
(I talk in a daze, I walk in a maze
I cannot get out, said the starling).

Where are you riding, Dolores Haze?
What make is the magic carpet?
Is a Cream Cougar the present craze?
And where are you parked, my car pet?

Who is your hero, Dolores Haze?
Still one of those blue-capped star-men?
Oh the balmy days and the palmy bays,
And the cars, and the bars, my Carmen!

Oh Dolores, that juke-box hurts!
Are you still dancin', darlin'?
(Both in worn levis, both in torn T-shirts,
And I, in my corner, snarlin').

Happy, happy is gnarled McFate
Touring the States with a child wife,
Plowing his Molly in every State
Among the protected wild life.

My Dolly, my folly! Her eyes were vair,
And never closed when I kissed her.
Know an old perfume called Soliel Vert?
Are you from Paris, mister?

L'autre soir un air froid d'opera m'alita;
Son fele -- bien fol est qui s'y fie!
Il neige, le decor s'ecroule, Lolita!
Lolita, qu'ai-je fait de ta vie?

Dying, dying, Lolita Haze,
Of hate and remorse, I'm dying.
And again my hairy fist I raise,
And again I hear you crying.

Officer, officer, there they go--
In the rain, where that lighted store is!
And her socks are white, and I love her so,
And her name is Haze, Dolores.

Officer, officer, there they are--
Dolores Haze and her lover!
Whip out your gun and follow that car.
Now tumble out and take cover.

Wanted, wanted: Dolores Haze.
Her dream-gray gaze never flinches.
Ninety pounds is all she weighs
With a height of sixty inches.

My car is limping, Dolores Haze,
And the last long lap is the hardest,
And I shall be dumped where the weed decays,
And the rest is rust and stardust.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 12:47:39 pm PDT #5092 of 10002
brillig

My personal take on the poem about the daughter is that the starling is there to be a metaphor on finding freedom after struggle, while people watch who know they can't interfere or else make the struggle even harder.

I need to reread "Lolita." I confess I only read it decades ago because it was supposed to be naughty. I'm so low-brow.


erikaj - Jul 13, 2004 12:49:18 pm PDT #5093 of 10002
"Somewhere in this building is our talent." Toby Ziegler, my spirit animal

I still do that.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 12:51:43 pm PDT #5094 of 10002
brillig

I was so disappointed to be bored by "Lady Chatterley's Lover."


Polter-Cow - Jul 13, 2004 12:52:54 pm PDT #5095 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Apparently, Peyton Place is supposed to be all scandalous, but I didn't get past the first chapter.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 13, 2004 1:11:35 pm PDT #5096 of 10002
What is even happening?

Well, we live in Babylon, pretty much. Things that were shocking then, aren't so, now. I've read neither Lady C, nor Peyton Place--nor Lolita, for that matter.


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 1:25:12 pm PDT #5097 of 10002
brillig

It wasn't even that the naughtiness in Lady C's Lover was that ho-hum, I just thought all the characters deserved all the misery they were wallowing in. "You don't need a lover!" I yelled at the book, "you need a backbone!"


Connie Neil - Jul 13, 2004 1:28:52 pm PDT #5098 of 10002
brillig

Lawrence suffers terribly from datedness, I've found. His characters are these dreary, languid, ennui-ridden creatures who seem ashamed of themselves for having feelings.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2004 1:44:18 pm PDT #5099 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What's going to age like that that looks okay right now?