Hey, evil dead, you're in my seat.

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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Vonnie K - Nov 10, 2003 12:59:26 pm PST #6536 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

But "Hate Crimes" is Thanksgiving-themed! See, it's a murder show and holiday spirits all rolled into one! (OK, so it's about how it gets increasingly difficult to recapture the true sense of belonging and homecoming of the season as one gets older and more jaded, but it's stilll about Thanksgiving.)

I just got home & rechecked the line-up, and it's 5 episodes, not 6, and "A Doll's Eyes" instead of "Every Mother's Son". I always get those two mixed up.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2003 1:12:33 pm PST #6537 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Coolness!(Actually, I think that's why that show never caught on bigger. People Who Aren't Us would rather see themselves in another Merry Christmas Baby Story on ER, than in that. Although I was not immune to the MCBS the first time...they lost me on the fifth one.) Although H:LOTS does have the one about the candle and the cleaning lady's baby, pretty frickin' affirming if you ask me, but also an exception.


Steph L. - Nov 10, 2003 3:04:22 pm PST #6538 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Court TV has a H:LotS marathon scheduled next Sunday according to my trusty TiVo guide.

No way! I've never seen H:LotS! And, solely because of erika's fic, now I want to.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2003 3:19:58 pm PST #6539 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Aw, Tep. I'm verklempt.Yay, now I get another (probably broken) toaster for my garlic bagels. Those eps are some very definite highlights for the series. What you will be seeing :dark snarky dialogue from people that act like they've worked together for years, excellent acting, angst, humor. What you won't be seeing: easy solutions, clothes you'll covet, car chases, forensic flabotinum. gun fights...I've watched about a third of season 3 right now,(aifg) but no cop has even drawn his or her, sorry, had to give Kay props,gun yet...which is way different than any other cop show evah. I think Munch is the most Buffista-in-spirit.Reads a lot...has an opinion about EVERYTHING...unlucky in love, but keeps going after it. Yet, he fears the internet.


amych - Nov 10, 2003 3:26:36 pm PST #6540 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

No way! I've never seen H:LotS! And, solely because of erika's fic, now I want to.

You MUST. One of the most frickin' brilliant drama series ever. Think of all the grittiness of the Sopranos, at least 10 times the arc-y station-house drama of HSB, all the not-so-arc-y s-h drama of L&O (and remember, when I say that, that I was only watching L&O in the pre-multi-spinoff, pre-Kate years), all the station-house snarkiness of Barney Miller, and a setting so real and pure you could eat it -- just because of the writing, even if it hadn't been shot on location in a wonderful place -- all rolled up into one show. Plus, extra bonus bisexuality! God DAMN it was good. And I miss it.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2003 3:31:56 pm PST #6541 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

And sometimes enough natter to keep Buffistas happy. Cause, you know, gotta fill up the time not being used on car chases. And taglines! But mostly, amych has got it. there's tiny hsq, but it doesn't really rely on the "It turns out the killer was really her long lost brother."(dramatic music) thing. Usually, these guys have a better day without hsq(typed bitter, calling Dr. Freud!) And what they do with Munch on SVU makes...well, can't say it makes the Baby Jesus cry, can you? Well, it makes the Characterization Gods cry.


Vonnie K - Nov 10, 2003 4:03:59 pm PST #6542 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Although H:LOTS does have the one about the candle and the cleaning lady's baby, pretty frickin' affirming if you ask me, but also an exception.

Night of the Dead Living. Man, I love that episode.

Felton: "Every night someone lights this candle by the board."
Giardello: "You're a detective. Solve it."
Felton: "A homicide detective. If the candle killed someone, I'd close the case."

And at the end, when they all go up to the roof? And G. hoses'em down with water, clothes and all? Sigh. I had a shit-eating grin on my face for half an hour after that.

As for the lack of gun-battles, I think the cop-shooter storyline in S3 and the Sniper two-parter in S4 were the writers' way to placate the network execs who demanded more shoot'em-ups, but they still did it in the Homicide way, you know? So in the midst of more "conventional" storylines, we had great scenes like the one with Pembleton in the box with the Steve Buscemi character, and the one with Russert and Bayliss on the balcony, with Tim loopy on painkillers and waving the gun toward the darkness of the harbor, talking about how killing is easy, a piece of cake. And with both storylines? No easy resolution for either of them.

I've ordered my H:LotS S3 DVDs ages ago, and it's yet to arrive. I'm beginning to get worried it got lost in the mail or something. Yikes.


erikaj - Nov 10, 2003 4:27:08 pm PST #6543 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

"Take your tie off, Frank. You make me sweat just to look at you. Take the tie off." Yeah, Vonnie, I understand that, but I just brought it up to make the point to the non-cop-show inclined amongst us (because good ones are among my passions) that you don't see much violence, just aftereffects. You usually don't see the murder just the...well, stiff.


Odalisques - Nov 10, 2003 5:40:25 pm PST #6544 of 10001
If I hit you on the head, will you have a vision?

  • in happy H:LOTS place*

Topic? Huh. Well, since he's already been in every other 'verse...just imagine: Munch. Encounters vampire. Three hours later, vamp tracks down Giles to discuss Lee Harvey Oswald and alien invasion theories.

And now I've got to stop thinking on this before I get bitten by the worst crossover bunny ever.


§ ita § - Nov 10, 2003 5:41:21 pm PST #6545 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the worst crossover bunny ever

You do know erika's been doing wonderful Buffy/H:LotS, right?