Jayne: That's a good idea. Good idea. Tell us where the stuff's at so I can shoot you. Mal: Point of interest? Offering to shoot us might not work so well as an incentive as you might imagine.

'Out Of Gas'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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erikaj - Oct 31, 2003 10:43:43 am PST #6403 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Dude, the Russians have Mafiya...that other spelling is only for LCN. My "other hobby" is showing again, isn't it? And even a Slayer couldn't fuck with the Russians.


smonster - Oct 31, 2003 3:02:38 pm PST #6404 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

sorry erika, don't know the html for cyrillic. that's how the moldovans spell it, and they have the Russian mafia...


erikaj - Oct 31, 2003 3:05:54 pm PST #6405 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

OK...maybe my source was not so good for that.


Connie Neil - Oct 31, 2003 4:27:14 pm PST #6406 of 10001
brillig

While I regret that several you have been offended, I do not retract my statement. I believe that preachiness in all its flavors weakens storytelling. I understand that everyone is on a different place in the journey but, for me, my empowerment is fine and the only reason I watched those storylines was because I liked the show.


P.M. Marc - Oct 31, 2003 5:40:20 pm PST #6407 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

While I regret that several you have been offended, I do not retract my statement. I believe that preachiness in all its flavors weakens storytelling.

Gosh, I'm sorry that a woman coming to terms with her sexuality, coming out to her friends, and yet somehow still remaining a flawed and multi-dimensional character is preachy or an anvil to you.

An anvil would be Willow getting a buzzcut, getting her butch on, and banishing Xander and Giles to the World Without Shrimp so that Sunnydale could be all Wymyn World. And yet, that didn't happen.

By the way, I'm plenty fucking empowered. Any more empowered, and I'd probably vibrate and be sold as a sex toy or in Home Depot.

And I'm empowered enough to call bullshit. Because that's what your line of reasoning about Willow's sexuality is. By that line of reasoning, if you take it just to its logical conclusion, having Xander come out would actually make it so that the 'Verse was fine for men so long as they were non-threatening parent figures (Giles) or gay and therefore not a threat to the Holy Untouchable Cunt.


Allyson - Oct 31, 2003 6:04:07 pm PST #6408 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Bad taste in marketing


JenP - Oct 31, 2003 6:06:49 pm PST #6409 of 10001

What the ...? I can't read any of the print. What's that supposed to be, other than a rendering of a sexual assault?


Allyson - Oct 31, 2003 6:07:52 pm PST #6410 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Season Six trading cards.


JenP - Oct 31, 2003 6:10:27 pm PST #6411 of 10001

Well, I don't think I've ever seen trading cards, so I have no perspective from which to judge, but that's just ... not something I'd expect to see on them, I guess.


Connie Neil - Oct 31, 2003 8:57:40 pm PST #6412 of 10001
brillig

And I'm empowered enough to call bullshit.

One woman's bullshit is another woman's purely individual take on a TV show. Your outrage is your right and privilege. My opinion remains my own. Suffice to say I'm taken aback that my personal belief that the empowerment motifs were served a little heavy-handedly via Willow's coming out--in addition to half a dozen other things--has been interpreted so severely.