If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock.

Spike ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Holli - Oct 31, 2003 6:58:50 am PST #6392 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

And Buffy sends Angel to the gulag at the end of Season Two, because he became a capitalist traitor to the revolution after they slept togehter.


Phill - Oct 31, 2003 7:03:05 am PST #6393 of 10001
I like to talk about politics with people that agree with me, and I like high class places.

And Buffy sends Angel to the gulag at the end of Season Two, because he became a capitalist traitor to the revolution after they slept togehter.

But before that, this East German slayer named Kendra shows up. But all the fans are freaked out because her accent totaly sounds Georgian.


P.M. Marc - Oct 31, 2003 7:06:33 am PST #6394 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I saw Willow being gay as just another anvil labelled "Guys are occasionally fun to have around, but fairly irrelevant to our lives".

Err, Connie, I find that really offensive, especially as Willow came out when the show was still fairly guy-heavy.

And, given that it took until the final freaking episode for the heroine to decide that she was a fish and the guys were bicycles for the nonce, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it really felt in the last few seasons like they lost the girl power mission.

I would have hated a Xander is gay storyline. I am not sure why, but I guess I just liked that this man who honestly liked women, preferred their friendship, was straight, and would have (at least at times) liked to have been (and in Willow's case, was) romantically (or sexually) involved with them, but when it didn't work out (or last), the friendship was more important, and easily survived the romantic feelings.

It's rare to see on screen, and that's something I respect ME for showing.


Fred Pete - Oct 31, 2003 7:07:02 am PST #6395 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

developing heebie jeebies at idea of Kendra saying, "Mr. Pointy, y'all."


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 31, 2003 7:08:07 am PST #6396 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Bwah!


Phill - Oct 31, 2003 7:09:36 am PST #6397 of 10001
I like to talk about politics with people that agree with me, and I like high class places.

developing heebie jeebies at idea of Kendra saying, "Mr. Pointy, y'all."

Ok, not THAT kind of Georgian.


smonster - Oct 31, 2003 7:10:38 am PST #6398 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Err, Connie, I find that really offensive, especially as Willow came out when the show was still fairly guy-heavy.

Plei is me. (typing that for the 2nd time in 30 seconds) I feel that on the whole, Buffy showed a pretty balanced gender representation. Much more balanced than many shows focusing on a male character.

eta that since when does being gay mean that guys aren't important? Many lesbians I know have very close friendships with gay and straight men. (as do I)

important in your life != romantic relationship


DavidS - Oct 31, 2003 7:43:46 am PST #6399 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

drab, socialist version of Buffy.

Anybody see East Side Story? Documentary about musicals made behind the iron curtain, with actual ballets next to turbines and such. Very entertaining.


Cindy - Oct 31, 2003 7:49:59 am PST #6400 of 10001
Nobody

Hmm. Yes. The government's official position would be that vampires don't exist, but actually they make up a large chunk of the KGB. Buffy would wear shorter skirts (really) and more makeup, and have fur coats instead of leather ones. Willow could wear her eskimo outfit and fit in. Giles would drink tea... with vodka in it. Instead of the Mayor, season 3 would have involved the Mafia.

I would watch this, smonster.


Susan W. - Oct 31, 2003 7:53:29 am PST #6401 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

While I know Girl Power was part of what the Slayer power-up in Chosen was all about, to me it's the smallest of the meanings. And despite my overall dissatisfaction with S7, Chosen is still on my Tivo, and I still watch it from time to time. I thought it was the perfect ending for Buffy--alive, still powerful but free from the burden of being the only one. I'm sure she'll still battle evil, but in my own mental Buffyverse, right now she's backpacking around the world, and making plans to go back to college, funded by money Giles pulled out of the CoW's Swiss bank accounts. She's finally free to make her own choices, no more burdened by destiny than most of us, and to me that's a deeply satisfying, profoundly right ending for her.

And the whole bit about it being not about wishes, but about choices? And that last line from the Slayer awakening montage, "Make your choice--are you ready to be strong?" That tied in with some stuff I'd be mulling over in my own life, about using whatever power you have to change the world instead of lamenting that you don't have power enough, and about not letting your talents go to waste out of fear of failure or fear of taking risks and trying something different. So to some degree I "read" Chosen like a sermon, and said, "Amen, Brother Joss!"

So yeah, I loved the finale.