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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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P.M. Marc - Oct 30, 2003 7:42:50 pm PST #6367 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I do wish they'd gone with Xander coming out, maybe the rest of the show would have been a little less girl-power heavy, with Xander having a real story line of his own.

Given that the show was all about the girl power from the get-go, I'm not sure how having Xander be gay would somehow magically change that.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 30, 2003 7:50:53 pm PST #6368 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, and Xander probably would have had to play out that real storyline in absentia via letters to Willow and Buffy from West Hollywood. Remember, there would have been a year and a half on the WB before the network switch, and they were antsy enough about the less controversial lesbian couple.


Connie Neil - Oct 30, 2003 10:15:31 pm PST #6369 of 10001
brillig

Given that the show was all about the girl power from the get-go

Well, there's girl power, then there's "the only people who have any significant role to play in the last two years of the story are female--or dead." Being a guy in Sunnydale definitely seemed like a boring thing to be. The whole Slayer-empowerment montage in "Chosen" was one painful anvil after another. I saw Willow being gay as just another anvil labelled "Guys are occasionally fun to have around, but fairly irrelevant to our lives".


Gleebo - Oct 30, 2003 10:35:05 pm PST #6370 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Season 8 has really been making up for the lack of Xander in the past few seasons. His volatile love affair with Andrew is proving to be one of the hottest in the history of the show...especially when they did Dr Who role playing in 8.4.


Connie Neil - Oct 30, 2003 10:38:15 pm PST #6371 of 10001
brillig

Oh, Cinemax picked up the series, did they? I hadn't realized.


Gleebo - Oct 30, 2003 10:42:09 pm PST #6372 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Nope still on UPN, but they are pushing so many buttons that I expect S9 to be on Skinemax or Showtime.


Lyra Jane - Oct 31, 2003 3:44:41 am PST #6373 of 10001
Up with the sun

I feel like there are so many stories where the women never get to do anything interesting that I saw the Buffy girl power thing as a nice change. Plus, it might be sexist of me, but I really, really like seeing women be the center of stories. If it's all men, there's nothing *there* for me a lot of the time.


Cindy - Oct 31, 2003 3:52:29 am PST #6374 of 10001
Nobody

I agree, Lyra. I also disagree though with connie's premise. I think the Xander character faded away, but I do think male characters got plenty of focus, certainly more than our female characters have usually ended up with on Angel.

Also? I would have hated a Xander is gay storyline. I am not sure why, but I guess I just liked that this man who honestly liked women, preferred their friendship, was straight, and would have (at least at times) liked to have been (and in Willow's case, was) romantically (or sexually) involved with them, but when it didn't work out (or last), the friendship was more important, and easily survived the romantic feelings.


Phill - Oct 31, 2003 6:28:58 am PST #6375 of 10001
I like to talk about politics with people that agree with me, and I like high class places.

OK, so I saw the line-up for FX's "Buffy Marathon" and it struck me as an incredibly Xander heavy roster. In fact ALL the Xandercentrique epis are in it. Is it co-inky-dink or is it because Nick Brendon has a new sitcom appearing on Fox?


Lyra Jane - Oct 31, 2003 6:29:43 am PST #6376 of 10001
Up with the sun

Is it co-inky-dink or is it because Nick Brendon has a new sitcom appearing on Fox?

I thought his pilot didn't get picked up?