Handsome brooding vampire guy has to swoop in all sensitive mouth and overhanging forehead. How 'bout leaving some scraps for the homely-looking fellows who don't turn evil when they get some?

Doyle ,'Life of the Party'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 28, 2003 6:11:07 am PST #6305 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

(This presumes Buffy can draw blood with her thumbs, which I don't doubt.)

I think todays FW rerun with the Gnarl prety well confirmed that. Ick.


Nutty - Oct 28, 2003 6:11:37 am PST #6306 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Point. Although by then the metaphor had been strained into a whole bunch of new, previously-unintended shapes. I think that, against a vampire, Buffy could posit herself without resources as a counterbalance. Against the very definition and source of evil in this world? That's a taller order (and besides they'd done that ending before anyway).

Also the part where, if capital-E Evil (or just a hellmouth) could be destroyed by a slayer doing her slayer thing and nothing more, capital-E Evil would be incredibly wussy.


§ ita § - Oct 28, 2003 6:12:47 am PST #6307 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if capital-E Evil (or just a hellmouth) could be destroyed by a slayer doing her slayer thing and nothing more, capital-E Evil would be incredibly wussy.

Which it apparently was, up until the late nineties.


Nilly - Oct 28, 2003 6:14:01 am PST #6308 of 10001
Swouncing

if you strip it down to the core you have something strong, but then if you don't, you have something stronger.

Maybe this is what I'm trying to say: in order to get to that position that ita talked about, you have to have something strong at the core. You have to have something strong at the core, for the possibility of it being stronger when what's around it is not stripped.

Then again, maybe not. Words complicated are. Brain break a takeing is.


Anne W. - Oct 28, 2003 6:24:10 am PST #6309 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I think that Becoming 2 and Chosen have some interesting parallels. We've already mentioned the weapons, friends, and hope thing.

Also, both episodes ended with the sacrifice of an ensouled vampire to bring about the resolution. In B2, Willow unconsciously called on seemingly dark forces to re-ensoul Angel, while in Chosen, she deliberately called on light forces to activate Slayer strength in all the potentials. Both episodes ended with Buffy running away from the scene, but in B2 she was running away from friends and family while in Chosen she was running to rejoin her friends and family.

There's more I could say, but it's hard to compose longer posts while at work.


Katie M - Oct 28, 2003 6:44:59 am PST #6310 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Chosen and Graduation Day are the two that I find incredibly similar. (Except I like Graduation Day better, because I preferred Let's Bring Regular People On Board And Together We're Strong! to Let's Make All The Proto-Slayers Strong!)


Lyra Jane - Oct 28, 2003 6:50:27 am PST #6311 of 10001
Up with the sun

= I preferred Let's Bring Regular People On Board And Together We're Strong!

I think that scene works emotionally, but logistically I would have liked to see a little bit more of how they turned a graduating class into an army in a few hours. But I understand the time limitations.


Katie M - Oct 28, 2003 6:54:07 am PST #6312 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Oh, yeah, well, that kind of thing I'm willing to skim over. If I start thinking about training kids how to use flamethrowers, next thing I know I'm back to "Buffy, sweetheart, get a good PR guy, convince the world of the existence of vampires, and take a vacation in Bermuda, willya?"


Lyra Jane - Oct 28, 2003 7:02:43 am PST #6313 of 10001
Up with the sun

next thing I know I'm back to "Buffy, sweetheart, get a good PR guy, convince the world of the existence of vampires, and take a vacation in Bermuda, willya?"

I once suggested that given how many people in Sunnydale know, she should have just started a public safety campaign. "Friends don't let friends get bit."

(Really, why does the slayer's identity have to be secret? Couldn't she do more good if everyone knew? It seems like the bad guys who would hurt her if they knew, find out eventually anyhow. But I guess the same is true of all superheroes.)


§ ita § - Oct 28, 2003 7:15:47 am PST #6314 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Really, why does the slayer's identity have to be secret?

So she doesn't get sent to the loony bin, I assume. I don't think it's to protect her from demons, so much.