I heard it was the suits at Fox who were underwhelmed by a "Scoobies: The Next Generation" spinoff rather than any fan reaction that killed those two off.
Riley: Maybe I should just let you rest. Buffy: You sure? I bet if you just lay down with me- Riley: Nothing you are about to say will lead to rest.
'Lessons'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Michele T. - Oct 25, 2003 4:28:53 pm PDT #6149 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
helentm - Oct 25, 2003 6:37:03 pm PDT #6150 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre
I think the Potentials would have worked better if the main characters hadn't been pods. Buffy and Giles were so frustrating, they didn't use to let any character get away with lecturing the way Buffy did. And her sense of humour had evidently vanished into the ether.
But yeah, those kids were cool. Dawn was cool, and she had an actual role in the plot, which was nice. They could have done something with Buffy's counselling job helping her relate to the Potentials, that would have been good too.
ted r - Oct 25, 2003 7:53:24 pm PDT #6151 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein
Bought the British SFX magazine's special Buffy which (among other things) ranks all 144 episodes. I disagree with a lot of the rankings (inevitably) but still interesting. Their top episodes for Season 7 are:
Chosen #8
Selfless #18
LMPTM #22
Storyteller #34
End of Days #37
CWDP #39
Their top 10 Buffys (in order #1 to #10) are:Hush, OMWF,Restless, The Body, Innocence, Becoming Pt.2, Surprise, Chosen, What's My Line Pt. 2, Fool For Love.
Notable in that they don't have a single Season 3 Ep. in the top 10.
§ ita § - Oct 25, 2003 7:55:09 pm PDT #6152 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Notable in that they don't have a single Season 3 Ep. in the top 10.
That's because SEASON TWO ROCKS HARDER.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 25, 2003 8:14:53 pm PDT #6153 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
That's because SEASON TWO ROCKS HARDER.
Phhht! Sorry - Season two hurts more (in the good way), but season 3 kicked ass. I mean, seriously, What's My Line Pt. 2 over the best of season 3? A Kendra episode?
§ ita § - Oct 25, 2003 8:19:43 pm PDT #6154 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Don't get me wrong S3 was great. But S2, mmm. That's some good watching.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 25, 2003 8:33:27 pm PDT #6155 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Yes, but do you really think What's My Line (and I'm personally inclined to put the all the official multi-parters together as single units) is better than every season 3 episode?
§ ita § - Oct 25, 2003 8:35:39 pm PDT #6156 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Mostly I'm talking trash, really. But I think S3, for all it's almost as good as S2ness, is more than the sum of its parts.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 25, 2003 8:45:29 pm PDT #6157 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
The following is more a musing on what you said, ita, than any kind of argument, just to put that out front:
More than the sum of its parts or less?
I think 2 had more gutpunch, but had several weak episodes.
I think 3 was damn near impeccable in terms of the episodes individually.
I think the crucial thing is what hit you as a viewer more - the Angel(us)/Buffy saga, or the Faith/Buffy saga.
Angel(us) was about the person you love turning into someone you don't know.
Faith was about the part of yourself you try to keep buried. The latter spoke to me more than the former. But I understand why that's not everyone.
Gleebo - Oct 26, 2003 2:58:58 am PST #6158 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs
I still find it impossible to rank my favorite episodes in order...but I have a feeling that 8.4 will be up there considering all the on screen Xander/Andrew lovin'...although since it was sketchy about which parts of the episodes were dream sequences and what were not, it may have been a dream...but this also begs the question, "Who's dream was it?"
I can pull my favorite episodes from each season.
S1 - Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest, Witch, The Pack, Angel, The Puppet Show, Prophecy Girl
S2 - School Hard, What's My Line pt 2, Surprise, Innocence, Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered, Passion, Becoming pt 2.
S3 - Band Candy, Lovers Walk, The Zeppo, The Wish, Earshot, The Prom, Graduation Day pt 1, Graduation Day pt 2.
S4 - The Harsh Light of Day, Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, Doomed, A New Man, The I in Team, Who Are You, Superstar, The Yoko Factor, Primevil, Restless
S5 - The Replacement, Family, Triangle, Checkpoint, I Was Made to Love You, The Body, Intervention, Weight of the World, The Gift
S6 - Life Serial, OMWF, Tabula Rasa, Smashed, Wrecked, Doublemeat Palace, Seeing Red, Villans, Grave
S7 - Lessons, Beneath You, Same Time, Same Place, Selfless, CwDP, Never Leave Me, Bring On The Night(which is odd because first watch I hated it), First Date, Storyteller, Dirty Girls, Chosen.
Well minus the gimmies(episodes that everone loves like OMWF, Hush, Restless) I cannot really tell a pattern in my favorites. Although I feel like the stretch of episodes in S4 starting with Pangs through The I In Team is my favorite in the entire series.