Doesn't matter that we took him off that boat, Shepherd, it's the place he's going to live from now on.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Vonnie K - Oct 15, 2003 6:44:06 am PDT #6068 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I caught GG last night as well. I didn't know Jane Espenson wrote the episode, but for the first time since the beginning of this season, it felt like GG had its pep back. I especially loved Lorelai having a meltdown at Luke's diner. As for Taylor--he's always been a power-tripping little prat. But, instead of laughing at his puny manipulative tactics as I used to, I seriously wanted reach into the screen and rip his head off last night. My GOD, he was unbearable.

As for the whole Spuffy violence in "Dead Things".... hmm, I kind of thought that the writers crossed the line from cartoonish superhero/kung-fu violence to something really dark and disturbing there. I mean, I used to laugh at Buffy slapping Spike around, and enjoy the stylized fights they used to have before Spike got the pesky chip. But that alley scene felt different. Not because 'Buffy the bee-a-tch hurt my woobie Spike' (Oy. Also, no mere words can possibly explain how much I loath the infantile term, "woobie"), but because they *were* in a relationship when that happened. Sick and twisted and wrong relationship, but a relationship nonetheless. It was a cycle of abuse all right, just not the one-sided thing the rabid Spikoholics made it into. Spike manipulated her emotionally, and Buffy used him and hurt him physically, and everything came to head in that alley scene--Buffy's self-loathing projected onto Spike, and Spike engaged in a sick attempt to bind Buffy to him emotionally, even at the expense of getting himself pummelled to pulp. I found the scene extraordinarily disturbing, and brilliant as well in the way it highlighted the pathology of their relationship, and in the way it harkened back to the B/F church scene in "Who Are You?".

Anyway, that was my long-winded way to say, those folks at Usenet sure do have the gift of one-way interpretation, but I didn't think the violence, at least in the context of "Dead Things", was at all cartoonish. But then, I love "Dead Things". It's probably my favorite episode of season 6, second only to OM,WF. It cut me up, and I loved it.

Edited to add: TVTome has Amanda Fuller as Eve.


smonster - Oct 15, 2003 6:56:27 am PDT #6069 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Edited to add: TVTome has Amanda Fuller as Eve.

Ooo! Thanks, Vonnie!

t runs off to IMDB

eta Hmm, neither IMDB nor TVTome given me the validation I need. Possibly not updated yet? Or am I wrong...


joe boucher - Oct 15, 2003 6:58:56 am PDT #6070 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

Amanda Fuller played Eve in "Showtime". Don't know about Judging Amy. Was too busy watching the World's Stupidest Cubs Fan screw up the team he ostensibly likes.

edit: X-post


Vonnie K - Oct 15, 2003 7:02:16 am PDT #6071 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Actually, smonster, if you scroll down a bit on her TV Tome page, she's listed as "shannon" in Judging Amy under the "co-starring role" category. I don't watch Judging Amy, but I'd say that you're plenty validated there.


smonster - Oct 15, 2003 7:03:59 am PDT #6072 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Yes, thanks again Vonnie, just found it. Not used to TVTome.

For all those other OCD peeps (crickets) Amanda Fuller info.

eta Sorry about that, y'all. Hope I fixed the code before it gave anyone a headache.


sumi - Oct 15, 2003 7:05:30 am PDT #6073 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Cindy - Oct 15, 2003 7:06:14 am PDT #6074 of 10001
Nobody

No, it was the bad southern accent girl on Buffy last season, who was actually really dead, and just another embodiment of the FE.


smonster - Oct 15, 2003 7:06:26 am PDT #6075 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Sumi, where are you in Buffy s7? I thought it had aired everywhere.


sumi - Oct 15, 2003 7:09:38 am PDT #6076 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Ah, I'd forgotten that girl's name.


Narrator - Oct 15, 2003 7:24:12 am PDT #6077 of 10001
The evil is this way?

Was too busy watching the World's Stupidest Cubs Fan screw up the team he ostensibly likes.

I'm thinking that was Tim Minear. Because having the Cubs fold like that is the next best thing to torturing me by killing off characters I like.