Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Daisy Jane - Sep 14, 2003 10:37:16 am PDT #5601 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

What if instead of talking about strength, we were talking about women getting a political voice, another form of power. Some may not have wanted it, some decided it was needed to fight oppression .

Gettting that power was of the good. Some choose not to use it, some use it for good, others don't.

t /poorly drawn analogy on a rainy Sunday with little coffee and real life issues clouding the brain


victor infante - Sep 14, 2003 10:43:08 am PDT #5602 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

poorly drawn analogy on a rainy Sunday with little coffee and real life issues clouding the brain

Not so poorly drawn, as that's essentially the metaphor we're playing with here.


Cindy - Sep 14, 2003 2:13:38 pm PDT #5603 of 10001
Nobody

What if instead of talking about strength, we were talking about women getting a political voice, another form of power. Some may not have wanted it, some decided it was needed to fight oppression .

Gettting that power was of the good. Some choose not to use it, some use it for good, others don't.

Bless you Heather, and what Victor said.


Jim - Sep 15, 2003 5:01:23 am PDT #5604 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Also the part where you don't recruit a spy without the spy's consent. It's too intellectually and emotionally demanding a job to be done unconsenting, and anyway, the spy could just embezzle money and flee to Kuala Lumpur.

? This is simply untrue - a spy (as opposed to an agent) is just as likely to be under duress as a willing participant. Read any Le Carre book - I can't think of one Joe who volunteered (I still think the Joe/handler relationship is the best analogy for Watcher/Slayer, and I think I wrote a mini-fic on the subject once.)


Jesse - Sep 15, 2003 5:13:18 am PDT #5605 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In unrelated news, I just this morning realized that Scott Hope is the "hope" in "Faith, Hope, and Trick." Where have I been all these years? t /dopey


Nutty - Sep 15, 2003 5:23:19 am PDT #5606 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Jim, I don't know as how I'd take Le Carre's word for it anyway. I mean, he's in the business of romanticizing secret agentdom, and it's very hard to make a bureaucracy romantic unless you bring in all sorts of artificial angst.

(I did intend spy and agent to mean the same thing, especially as regards a slayer, because she's a doer. Okay, I don't actually understand the difference between the two as regards international skulduggery.)

And usually, requiring someone to do something dangerous and secret without getting their okay first leads to violence and the de-secreting of secrets. Just out of spite, resentment, and ineptitude, aside from the whole "his heart's not in his work" problem.


Cindy - Sep 15, 2003 5:28:50 am PDT #5607 of 10001
Nobody

In unrelated news, I just this morning realized that Scott Hope is the "hope" in "Faith, Hope, and Trick." Where have I been all these years? </dopey>

Mah sistah in dopiness. I watched it on FOX last night, and the same thing occured to be. I'd always gotten the Faith and Trick puns, but...duh.


Jesse - Sep 15, 2003 5:36:25 am PDT #5608 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'd always gotten the Faith and Trick puns, but...duh.

Ditto and ditto.


tina f. - Sep 15, 2003 5:44:02 am PDT #5609 of 10001

In unrelated news, I just this morning realized that Scott Hope is the "hope" in "Faith, Hope, and Trick." Where have I been all these years?

Jesse and Cindy - I was just coming in to post this very thing. Whoo hoo sistahs in dopeyness!!

I'd always gotten the Faith and Trick puns, but...duh.

yup.


Cindy - Sep 15, 2003 5:58:34 am PDT #5610 of 10001
Nobody

I had been thinking about the title just before the episode came on (because our cable menu either mentioned the title, or the plot, which I know is FH&T). I knew it was the one where nekkid Angel falls from the sky at the end, and was thinking, "that must be the hope." As soon as Willow said, "Scott Hope at 11 o'clock," I dope slapped myself.

I wonder just how many times I've seen this episode? It might have been my very first BtVS episode, actually.