No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


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Cindy - Sep 12, 2003 2:06:10 am PDT #5504 of 10001
Nobody

I agree that once Angelus came out to play, both Buffy and Giles should have gone to Joyce and explained Buffy's powers and obligations.

What's lovely about the secrecy, is that it's a wonderful detail about the corruption of the Council. It's subtle, but it's powerful. Now I sincerely believe Giles insisted Buffy follow Coucil protocol on the secrecy issue, because he believed it would help keep Joyce safe. But it's really a great analogy for the secrecy aspect of child molestation. "Don't tell your Mom, or she'll die."


Daisy Jane - Sep 12, 2003 2:09:06 am PDT #5505 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

"Ted" died. Details in Natter.


Steph L. - Sep 12, 2003 4:21:25 am PDT #5506 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Well, he was a robot.


Cindy - Sep 12, 2003 4:29:32 am PDT #5507 of 10001
Nobody

This might be the cookies talking, but he rocked.


JenP - Sep 12, 2003 4:57:51 am PDT #5508 of 10001

He rocked like a rocking thing. A funny rocking thing.


Jeff Mejia - Sep 12, 2003 5:03:19 am PDT #5509 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

What's lovely about the secrecy, is that it's a wonderful detail about the corruption of the Council. It's subtle, but it's powerful. Now I sincerely believe Giles insisted Buffy follow Coucil protocol on the secrecy issue, because he believed it would help keep Joyce safe. But it's really a great analogy for the secrecy aspect of child molestation. "Don't tell your Mom, or she'll die."

Good point, Cindy. I didn't pick up on that aspect. I approached it more with "The Council is stuck in its hideabound ways", but your point makes even more sense, and follows the later implications about the Council better.

I don't think Joyce would have turned Buffy over to social services or anything, but she could have moved away from Sunnydale and had Buffy undergo intensive therapy, if not outright committing her for a while, which would have seriously hampered Buffy's effectiveness. The only way Joyce could have been convinced was outright proof (just like that seen in "Becoming"), but Giles would have never approved it, since he hadn't broken free from the Council himself yet.


sumi - Sep 12, 2003 5:05:11 am PDT #5510 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Absolutely.

(I meant about the rocking funny man that was John Ritter -- but true about Giles and the Council too.)


§ ita § - Sep 12, 2003 5:16:53 am PDT #5511 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Now I sincerely believe Giles insisted Buffy follow Coucil protocol on the secrecy issue, because he believed it would help keep Joyce safe.

Is secrecy council policy, or a side effect of them finding her so late? Kendra's parents certainly knew. If standard practice is to take the child away, the parents would know something.


Cindy - Sep 12, 2003 5:26:33 am PDT #5512 of 10001
Nobody

If standard practice is to take the child away, the parents would know something.

I see both removing the child, and swearing the child to secrecy as tools of control. In Kendra's Caribe Leprachaun culture, they were able to exert obvious control over her. In Buffy's Mall Culture, the control was behind the scenes. In both cases, neither girl was truly under the watchful care of her own family. The council had all the knowledge and made the decisions about one of the elements of her life that was likely to have the most impact, up to and including her death.


§ ita § - Sep 12, 2003 5:28:49 am PDT #5513 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In both cases, neither girl was truly under the watchful care of her own family.

True, but in one scenario the parents had willingly given the child up. I don't see Council protocol on a secrecy issue here.

Buffy started out outside policy.