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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DCJensen - Sep 06, 2003 11:13:03 am PDT #5416 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

For those who wanted Vamp!Dawn, TV Guide has a photo for you from last Halloween.

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P.M. Marc - Sep 06, 2003 11:34:54 am PDT #5417 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And yet still more was to come. An unfamiliar, nerdy voice came from the second line of questioners. "Liz and Sarah, are you single?" And it was Joss, undercover, with his partner in crime Nathan Fillion right behind him.

I heard this with the voice effects at a wedding (the one where the bach. party had been a trip to comicon), and MAN, funny ass shit right there.


DavidS - Sep 06, 2003 2:55:05 pm PDT #5418 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Also from the IGN comicon recap, Joss:

"When we go to websites we're looking for a general feeling of what's not playing, what are people really passionate about and what are they debating and where are we getting it right and where are we getting it wrong? If you see something four weeks after it comes out on your website, that means we've been working on it about eight weeks before that, at least."

So where do you think the obvious examples were of the writers responding to the boards? I think that they probably became conscious that all of Buffy's speechifying in S7 was falling flat and wound up mocking that. I think they ultimately moved away from the addiction metaphor for Willow in S6, and wound up re-emphasizing her own responsibility. I wonder if board complaints had an effect on moving Dawn away from her whininess.


Noumenon - Sep 06, 2003 5:56:59 pm PDT #5419 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Draco as Xander AND Spike AND Buffy? None of them works.

Some things I liked: replacing the swordstuck demon with Dobby ("He’s not even half the boy he -- Naughty Dobby! To speak ill of the great Harry Potter! [bashes head against wall] -- ow!"), the stage directions in the scene where Hermione sings Tara's love song to Harry, and the interjections from the S&P man during "Let me fly in peace."


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2003 11:00:20 pm PDT #5420 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that they probably became conscious that all of Buffy's speechifying in S7 was falling flat and wound up mocking that.

So you don't think that was a character note, that instead they'd intended them to be good? That's some appalling writing.


Noumenon - Sep 07, 2003 4:33:09 am PDT #5421 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Laura scanned a JM interview with a section about Joss pushing Willow/Tara on the network. I can't paste it cuz it's not text, but it's a third of the way down the right column.


erikaj - Sep 07, 2003 7:07:31 am PDT #5422 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

He gives good interview. And, Go, Joss!(probably easier to decide when you're descended from TV "royalty" and not Jo Schmuck like me, but still cool.)


scrappy - Sep 07, 2003 9:44:06 am PDT #5423 of 10001
Nobody

They read boards for general feel, like "Dawn is bugging people" but not for specific plot choices as the lead time is too long to allow for it--plus, playing "what if" in story meetingsis one of the most fun parts of the job and everyone wants their own ideas in there.

Plus, may I say the commentary for the Veruca episode, which I watched last night, is fabulous and much much fun.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 07, 2003 5:13:01 pm PDT #5424 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Fandom tends to have such a diverse set of opinions on any given character or plot point, I'm amazed that the writers can sift through and get a sense of what general audience response is. I mean, there were people out there who thought Ben was a great character.


Angus G - Sep 07, 2003 5:34:15 pm PDT #5425 of 10001
Roguish Laird

Plus, giving fans what they (say they) want = bad idea, in general.