Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


brenda m - Aug 26, 2003 6:33:02 am PDT #5170 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hey, I read all those books when I was growing up. You're not alone here.

The biggest one was the spell in Chosen. If this spell was possible(yes I know we never had Axe-calibur before this) why didn't they do it already to save many unneccessary solo slayer deaths. But then I guess we really wouldn't have had a need for a show focusing on the life of a chosen 'one'.

The short answer would be that a) the Council never really looked into the source of the slayer's power, b) they weren't big on thinking outside the box generally, and c) their own role and status would be so threatened by such an action that it wouldn't have been pursued even if they had come up with it. There's more to it than that, but basically, it's simply not the way the Council works. And until Buffy, there wasn't anyone except the Council with any knowledge or ability to do anything about it.

Buffy never had a watcher until she was approached on the step of her school, and the show would lead you to believe that she was officially crowned the new slayer then.

In the movie, IIRC, it was wanked that the potentials were identified by a birthmark which Joyce and Hank, being the superficial LA types they were, promptly had removed. I'm not sure it was ever addressed in the series, though. Kendra certainly seemed to have been with her watcher a long time before being called, though I guess Faith might be a little blurrier. So we have canon for the Council being able to identify some, but not necessarily all, potentials before they were called. Which seems about right in terms of how the S7 potentials were presented. But it would have been interesting to get a little more detail on how they found them, and whether they took an active interest in all of them or had some sort of way to evaluate who they thought might be likely to be called.


Gleebo - Aug 26, 2003 6:41:17 am PDT #5171 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

The only time in S7 that I got really pissed about a story line was in "Get it Done". I just left me with a big old "that's it?" for the creation of the first slayer mythos.


Cindy - Aug 26, 2003 6:47:18 am PDT #5172 of 10001
Nobody

Also if it was so easy for the first to find all these potential slayers and kill them why weren't the forces of good (COW) rounding them up and shipping them all to Sunnydale for a huge on hand army at all time. Training with the active slayer when you could possibly become one seems logical enough to me.

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c) their own role and status would be so threatened by such an action that it wouldn't have been pursued even if they had come up with it.

Yes. I think it was all about the power. Think how they were trying to get "hand" - even when they knew a Hell God had manifested itself in human form. Think about the Cruciarmentum. Think of their headgames with Giles. Think of their attitude when Angel (whom they knew had been ensouled and was fighting on the side of good) was dying. Think of their "keep it secret; keep it safe" rules on slayer identity. Think of how they must have known what Faith's life was like to some extent, but never stepped in to help her until they had their own purpose for her. Watchers and their forerunners - the shadow men - were very early on corrupted by their power over this powerful woman.


Vortex - Aug 26, 2003 7:15:37 am PDT #5173 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The short answer would be that a) the Council never really looked into the source of the slayer's power, b) they weren't big on thinking outside the box generally, and c) their own role and status would be so threatened by such an action that it wouldn't have been pursued even if they had come up with it. There's more to it than that, but basically, it's simply not the way the Council works. And until Buffy, there wasn't anyone except the Council with any knowledge or ability to do anything about it.

before Buffy, no one had concieved of the idea that there _could_ be two Slayers. The rule was thought of as a law, like gravity. I think that if the Council could have, they would have created an army of fodder.


Cindy - Aug 26, 2003 7:18:49 am PDT #5174 of 10001
Nobody

before Buffy, no one had concieved of the idea that there _could_ be two Slayers. The rule was thought of as a law, like gravity. I think that if the Council could have, they would have created an army of fodder.

We don't know that. We know that was true at the Active Watcher-Slayer level, or can safely assume it, because it was news to Buffy and Giles. We don't know what the upper-echelon of the Council knew. They never got splainy about the two slayer thing.


Alicia K - Aug 26, 2003 8:56:30 am PDT #5175 of 10001
Uncertainty could be our guiding light.

Alicia K cries at: Class Protector, fruit punch speech, and as soon as that music starts playing at the end of The Gift. Man, just thinking about that damn music gets her all sniffly.


Rhiannon - Aug 26, 2003 10:36:42 am PDT #5176 of 10001
"Church, cult, cult, church. So we get bored somewhere else every Sunday. Is this really going to change our day to day life?" Bart - the Joy of Sect

Just chiming in briefly with the Little House on the Prarie Love. I still am excited when I catch it on TBS....My sister and I used to have Laura and Carrie dresses (I didn't want to be Mary and she is younger than I) that our aunt made for us and we frequently pressed our brother into playing 'Pioneers' a la Little House.

I had no idea that was the same actor, but I am also happy at the odd connection!!


Cindy - Aug 26, 2003 10:38:47 am PDT #5177 of 10001
Nobody

(I didn't want to be Mary and she is younger than I)

But! But Mary was the pretty one!

(was the little one played by Shannon Doherty?)


askye - Aug 26, 2003 10:56:01 am PDT #5178 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

No! Mary was the older sister of Laura, who later became blind (this followed Mary's real life) and married a blind teacher (the real Mary Ingalls never married).

Later on after Laura and Mary were married and their adopted brother (a fictional character, the only sons died shortly after death) left or died or whatever, Charles and Caroline took on orphans from somewhere, one of whom was played by Shannon Doherty. (Again this was fictional to drag out the series).


JenP - Aug 26, 2003 10:57:55 am PDT #5179 of 10001

But they also had an original little sister named Carrie, right? Or am I making that up? If so, I'm doing a damn fine reconstruction in my mind!

(but Carrie wasn't played by SD)