Now, does anyone know where I could get transcripts of the DVD commentaries?

I've seen some of them out there, but I don't have any links.

Yes. What they should have done, was raise the driving age.

Not enough Wrod in Wrodville for this. And I speak as a person who was driving at 16 and just SUCKED at it for a really long time until I didn't suck at it anymore and so got cocky. And, all in all? A fairly responsible young girl on the whole -- still shouldn'ta been driving.

When I came to DC for school, I was grandfathered in for 18 being allowed to drink wine and beer, but needed to be 21 for hard liquor (they weren't very strict back then, lemme tellya'). I think (though I wouldn't bet kittens or money on it), that a year or two before that it was 18 for everything. By the time I was 21, 21 was the drinking age for everything and there were no more grandfatherees.

And, in Delaware, you by all liquor of any sort in liquor stores. Nothing in the grocery stores (I remember thinking how weird it was to be able to buy wine and beer at Safeway when I moved to DC -- now I can't get over what a pain in the ass it is to have to go to a liquor store for a bottle of wine when I'm visiting Delaware). Not sure about 7-11 type places, but I kind of think they don't sell liquor in Del. there either. Pretty sure that's the case.

Ummm ... and threadwise ... Oh, hell. It's late. I got nothin'.

My birthday's in February, so I turned 21 my last semester in college. I was suddenly very popular. "We need booze for the party this weekend, who's got a good fake ID? Wait! Connie's legal! And she only charges a quarter a bottle!"

What? Yes, I know it was a felony, I was a stupid kid, OK? Made a goodly amount of money, too, so I could buy my own favorite cheap wine. Mmm, Riunite Lambrusco, shades of my youth everytime I taste it. Boy, the liquor store people stared and stared at my driver's license, but they had to admit it was the real thing. YOu had to go to State Stores for hard stuff, but beer could be bought almost anywhere, including drive-thru places.

What?

Hey -- I never charged. And I kept buying, if needed until I was nearly thirty.

As dumb things go, it's less dumb than speeding. Which I do all the time.

Daniel, maybe you shouldn't leave link out there in the open like that.

Hec, that's the official link Shrift posts here when she lets us know publicly that she has a new offering, so I felt confident to post that link and that link alone. It immediately presents the information that you must contact the address provided for access.

I never charged, and for the first half of my 21st year, lived within walking distance of the booze store.

I bought a lot of booze.

Most of it, sadly, was MINE MINE MINE.

(Cereal)

In fact, during my first senior year in college*, the grocery store STOPPED carding me.

*The second one was a short year, about a year after my originally scheduled graduation date. I had a couple incompletes that I let slide, you see. It really only took me 4.5 years of dicking around all told.

Hec, that's the official link Shrift posts here when she lets us know publicly that she has a new offering, so I felt confident to post that link and that link alone. It immediately presents the information that you must contact the address provided for access.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound bossy about it. Just mindful of protecting her rear. I'm sure you're right.

she did have good reason to assume Buffy was in hell since Buffy died jumping into the gateway to a demon dimension.

I still don't get this ... no one that's been to a hell dimension went there because they died. What's the good reason, again?

I bought into the assumption (once they suggested it), so it feels like there's some inductive reason to assume it. As logic goes, that's pretty peccable. I'll do better, Hec.

There is a parallel to Angel, who died (or Buffy "killed" him, at least) and went through a dimensional portal, and later turned out to have gone to Hell. Sean pointed out that his body disappeared, and Buffy's didn't. That makes it a stretch to assume she could be in Hell, but it turns out to be justified: having no body didn't prevent her from going to Heaven.

On one hand, it would be a weird opening that could send you physically to Pylea or spiritually to incorporeal hell, but then, it did connect to "all" dimensions, and remember that the Senior Partners don't have bodies in their dimension -- they just manifest in the form of a demon to move around in this dimension. (Sounds kind of like a demon rental-car business. "Hertz -- Doesn't It?")

(Aside on my research: as far as I can tell, Christian heaven and hell are places for both your body and soul. So "he's going straight to hell" and "your grandma is in Heaven now" aren't strictly accurate, because they both have to wait on their physical resurrection. And assuming Buffy went to either place makes even less sense.)

I'm still not convinced she was in Heaven either. I'm convinced that *she* thought it was heaven, which is good enough. But still, it was a place that basically lied to her so that she'd believe everyone she loved was safe.