Oh, no, oh, no! Spontaneous poetic exclamations. Lord, spare me college boys in love.

Dr. Walsh ,'Potential'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Daisy Jane - Aug 15, 2003 12:14:23 pm PDT #4709 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Feh. They've dissappeared whole episodes from my brain.


Cindy - Aug 15, 2003 12:15:04 pm PDT #4710 of 10001
Nobody

Also from the Forever script

TARA

(interrupting)

But we don't mess with life and death.

Dawn - I know how bad you hurt-

DAWN

You don't! They put her in the ground-

TARA

They did, and it's awful and unfair -

but this isn't the way.

WILLOW

I'm not even sure it's possible, Dawn.

I mean, I've seen things about resurrection.

There are books and stuff…

Willow wavers for a moment. Why can't it work? She looks to Tara.

WILLOW

But I guess… the spells backfire?

TARA

That's not the point-

WILLOW

(quickly/to Dawn)

That's not the point. The point is,

it's bad. Because…

She looks to Tara… Because why?

TARA

Because witches can't be allowed to

alter the fabric of life that way, for

selfish reasons. We'd manipulate the

world until it came unglued.

(to Dawn)

You can't understand this now - I

don't expect you to… But as painful

as death is, it's part of nature. Wiccans

took an oath, a long time ago, to honor that-

DAWN

So it is possible then. To bring someone

back. They wouldn't have taken an oath

if they didn't know they could do it-

TARA

(firmer)

Maybe "they" could, but we can't. Even

if it wasn't wrong, it's the most advanced

form of dark arts. Way beyond our grasp.

WILLOW

(a bit reluctant)

She's right, Dawn. It's too dangerous.

We can't go there.

An awful beat as Dawn takes that in. She throws the spell book she's holding to the ground.

DAWN

(to Willow)

You said you wanted to help me.

Dawn moves to her bed and lies down again, all hope gone now. Acutely feeling her failure to offer solace, Willow reaches out to her.

WILLOW

Dawn-

DAWN

Don't.

Dawn shrugs Willow's hand off her and turns her back to her. Willow and Tara glance at each other - pained.

(and later)

WILLOW

That's okay. It's just, we have

class after that. I don't know if

you want to go home or…

Dawn turns to Willow. Her eyes are swollen and red. She looks like she was up half the night crying. Willow takes this in, pained.

DAWN

I was going to sleep some more.

Giles said he would pick me up,

whenever.

WILLOW

Oh. Well…

Willow considers this for a beat. Then -

WILLOW

Okay. Sure. Hang out. I have a

break around lunch time, I'll come back.

DAWN

I might not be here.

WILLOW

I'll try my luck. A noonish Dawn

break would make my day.

Dawn just looks away. Clearly still hurting and angry. Willow feels the sting. She gets up, starts to gather her stuff.

TARA

Take care, Dawn.

Again, Dawn doesn't respond. Willow casts one more worried glance back at her before following Tara out.

CLOSE ON WILLOW

As, unnoticed by Tara and Dawn, she surreptitiously raises a finger and focuses on a book on the shelf, magically making it push out of the stack in front of Dawn. It doesn't fall - but it sticks out pretty far.

RESUME

Tara and Willow exit. Dawn's about to lie back down when she spies the book hanging out of the bookshelf. That wasn't like that before… Dawn gets up and grabs the book.

CLOSE ON BOOK

It's title - "History of Witchcraft"

...

By the way, Dawn did take the actual spell book she was going to use from the Magic Box. The History book told her what books she needed, though. It wasn't the infamous book. But Willow knew what she was giving Dawn when she popped it off the shelf.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 12:16:43 pm PDT #4711 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

she did have good reason to assume Buffy was in hell since Buffy died jumping into the gateway to a demon dimension.

I still don't get this ... no one that's been to a hell dimension went there because they died. What's the good reason, again?


tina f. - Aug 15, 2003 12:17:34 pm PDT #4712 of 10001

They've dissappeared whole episodes from my brain.

Ooh! This could be good though:

Dear Monks,
Please dissappear all the icky sex scenes from Where the Wild things Are and that awful orange striped sweater vest thingy Xander was wearing in that one ep where he is trying to make the Initiative's gun work.

Thanks,
tina


Daisy Jane - Aug 15, 2003 12:18:10 pm PDT #4713 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

But the other posted lines make it pretty clear, to me, that she didn't know Dawn would use it as a roadmap. She thought it might make some of the why's more clear to Dawn, even if they weren't completely clear to her.


Jeff Mejia - Aug 15, 2003 12:18:28 pm PDT #4714 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Damn. I had the whole thing supported by transcript snippets laid out, then Hec beats me to it as my network goes off-line for a moment.


Cindy - Aug 15, 2003 12:19:08 pm PDT #4715 of 10001
Nobody

P.S. - Also monks, Buffy's outfit in The Replacement.

I don't know about tina, but my eyes are still bleeding.


tina f. - Aug 15, 2003 12:21:00 pm PDT #4716 of 10001

Buffy's outfit in The Replacement.

I don't have that on tape. Remind me - unless it is too painful.


Jeff Mejia - Aug 15, 2003 12:21:13 pm PDT #4717 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

In that scene where Dawn is pouting because Willow and Tara won't help her, she whines how nobody knows how she feels. I always wonder why Tara never pointed out that she lost her mother when she was young to Dawn like she did to Buffy.


Cindy - Aug 15, 2003 12:23:10 pm PDT #4718 of 10001
Nobody

But the other posted lines make it pretty clear, to me, that she didn't know Dawn would use it as a roadmap. She thought it might make some of the why's more clear to Dawn, even if they weren't completely clear to her.

I don't think she knew Dawn would use it as a roadmap, but I don't think she thought it would just psychologically satisfy Dawn into giving up the quest, either. I think it intrigued her. I think she knew she should accept Tara's reasoning as morally/ethically sound, but a good Willowy bit of Willow thought it was hogwash, so she was rash, and popped the book out for the kid, not to educate her into giving it up, so much as to educate her, and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't think Willow credited Dawn with being determined enough, or resourceful enough to follow the trail. Most likely, Willow hadn't studied these resurrection issues very deeply then (or later), and she wasn't too concerned. But given she later resurrected Buffy, I really have a hard time believing she was only trying to give Dawn the kind of closure that comes when you decide to give up on something. Willow's brain didn't think that that far through, either. And this is (to me) her interesting flaw. She's a bright, deep thinking woman, but she spends a lot of time in denial and ignorance, because she doesn't want to learn things that she doesn't want to know.

edited to make sense, and smaller huge blocks of text