I think she knew Dawn would be against it and had no defense.

This--because Dawn was thisclose to having zombie!Joyce but stopped, and after that debacle you know it would have freaked her shit out to have zombie!Buffy. She was obviously uncomfortable around Buffybot!Buffy, because it wasn't real. I have no doubt she could easily have made the jump to deadbody!Buffy and said hell no.

Both of them would have kept a fucked-up zombie!Buffy around.

Spike, maybe. I don't think Dawn would.

I never thought Willow pointing Dawn toward that book was her encouraging Dawn to raise Joyce.

Me either. It was stupid, but the zombie thing wasn't premeditated.

I won't disagree that Willow acted with arrogance, but she did have good reason to assume Buffy was in hell since Buffy died jumping into the gateway to a demon dimension.

But her body was still around. There was the physical location issue--it's been shown in canon time and time again that being in another dimension is a physical body thing, not a soul thing.

saw Willow giving Dawn the book in Forever as encouraging her to bring her mother back. That book was all she needed - when he sees in her in the cemetary Spike says "That book you have is infamous."

No, she had to go steal other book(s) from Giles first. Willow didn't give the "We don't do that" answer, and I'm not arguing that that was what she thought at all, but I don't think her showing the book to Dawn was the same as thinking it was a good idea and encouraging Dawn to do it. That book may have mentioned the difficulties and issues involved in bringing someone back who had died a natural death.

I think a flat out "No" without more detail was not enough for Willow, and she sympathised that it wasn't enough for Dawn.

I don't think her showing the book to Dawn was the same as thinking it was a good idea and encouraging Dawn to do it. That book may have mentioned the difficulties and issues involved in bringing someone back who had died a natural death.

I think a flat out "No" without more detail was not enough for Willow, and she sympathised that it wasn't enough for Dawn.

That's how I saw it.

Even Willow would've been cognizant of (a) the chances of something going wrong for Dawn to do such a powerful spell and (b) the emotional impact on Buffy. She certainly wouldn't have treated something like Joyce's death so casually. She was saying "Look! Magic!" not "Hey kid, wanna raise yer Ma from the dead?"

Interesting. I never even thought of this. I saw Willow going "That whole thing Tara said about not messing with the natural order was sweet and all, but this books says you can do it, so go for it. - I'd help but then I'd be in the doghouse. Good luck!"

Again, I think it was an example of Willow not fully wanting to accept that there would be consequences. In the back of her mind she knows they are there - but she isn't going to let oldstuffy!Willow control her actions - new powerfulwiththemagicks!Willow doesn't let silly old consequences bother her.

Buffy died jumping into the gateway to a demon dimension.

No - it was the gateway to all dimensions.

I may be remembering wrong, but I think that all Dawn had to steal from the magic shop was ingredients and then of course the eggs from the demon. The book Willow gave her had the spell. I thought anyway.

I think Willow (both old and new) does think about consequences. I just think that the more powerful she got, the more she thought she could just magic stuff away.

She asked about the books she wasn't supposed to go near, and then when Giles went away, she went straight to them.

I'm with DavidS re: Willow. She liked the power, sure, but once Buffy was gone, she had no choice but to use it. She became the "Buffy" of the group. Think about end-of-season-5 Willow, when Buffy tells her she's the big gun. Willow didn't want that position. Once Buffy was gone, she had to take on that role and it changed her. WRT season 6 Willow, circumstances were as much to blame as her own power trip, if you ask me.

well, because that's what Willow does. But Willow didn't buy it and would have tried it herself (did later), and I think she never thought Dawn would get it done, but I don't think popping the book out was in any way anything other than encouragement.

Also, Willow was shocked when Tara mentioned that the book that Dawn had (which Willow prompted her to take) had information that led to the actual powerful magicks. I agree what others said in that Willow was just trying to use the information about magic as a was to help Dawn deal with her grief, not to actually bring Joyce back.

On another note, everyone was pointing out a bit back that Faith had never saved the world, but she was actually an integral part of the attack on the Hellmouth beast and the Sisterhood of Jhe during "The Zeppo", so she gets some credit for that. Since the episode focused on Xander, this aspect of the episode is easily forgotten.