What about casting that spell on Tara? That was the part I found most unforgivable.
As for most of us as well.
Well, you'd better not be thinking what I think you're thinking, because my answer is the same as always — no threesomes unless it's boy-boy-girl. Or Charlize Theron.
Harmony ,'First Date'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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DavidS - Aug 14, 2003 1:18:35 pm PDT #4575 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 1:20:54 pm PDT #4576 of 10001
No older people to help with the sense of proportion.
To me that doesn't excuse anything, though. Willow did this on purpose - to exclude other points of view that would disagree with her.
§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 1:21:40 pm PDT #4577 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No Buffy and the First Evil wins.
Wins what? It caused the trouble in S7 because of what Willow et al did.
Katie M - Aug 14, 2003 1:29:21 pm PDT #4578 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
We don't actually know that; it could've been her first resurrection. (Though, yeah, probably not.)
What about casting that spell on Tara? That was the part I found most unforgivable.
Oh yes. I'm behind Buffy leaping merrily into bed with S7 Spike before I'm behind Willow and Tara getting back together, no matter how lovely the scene at the end of Entropy was. (And I'm not in favor or the first one, either, to be clear.) I had to kind of unfocus my eyes and forget about the memory spell on Tara exactly the same way a lot of people have to kind of unfocus their eyes about the attempted rape in Seeing Red, because I know my reaction to it is way out of proportion to the one the writers wanted me to have.
Burrell - Aug 14, 2003 1:33:54 pm PDT #4579 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I don't think that resuscitation is comparable to resurrection.
§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 1:35:39 pm PDT #4580 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think that resuscitation is comparable to resurrection.
Yup. That was very mundane, and is attempted all the time. Beseeching Osiris for the warrior of the people, less so.
tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 1:42:17 pm PDT #4581 of 10001
After her second death, her first one did seem kind of lame. She did get more power from it, though. I've always wondered why. Other than because it was the season finale, I mean.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2003 1:55:43 pm PDT #4582 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Back then I was assuming that whatever was behind the Slayer's power and destiny was a holy force, and Buffy's brush with death might have supercharged her due to brief closer proximity to it.
That explanation doesn't gibe with the Shadow Men and the swirly gray cloud of disturbing symbolism, but I guess the metaphor of the Hero's Journey with a return from the underworld resulting in newfound strength and knowledge still works pretty well.
tina f. - Aug 14, 2003 2:18:20 pm PDT #4583 of 10001
I guess the metaphor of the Hero's Journey with a return from the underworld resulting in newfound strength and knowledge still works pretty well.
It does. What is more amazing is that DVD commentary leads me to believe that Joss hadn't planned out the two slayers at one time thing when he had her die in S1. It just occurred to him in S2 that there would be another one. There could have been a world without Faith!
Speaking of the Joss. Aaron Sorkin was on Charlie Rose last night. He seemed to think that no good television could really come from a team of writers - that really good shows had to be done by One True Egomaniac only. I love the WW - but dude. Get over yourself already.
But it sparked this question: would it have been better to have had seven seasons of Buffy with Jossy goodness sprinkled among otherwriter goodness (and, yes, sometimes not-so-goodness) OR four seasons of Joss-only Buffy and no Angel and no Firefly and one truly crazy and annoying Joss?
I take seven seasons and the resulting only mostly crazy Joss, myself.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2003 2:23:33 pm PDT #4584 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Hmm, tough call. I think Angel and Firefly tip the balance for me, but if it were based on Buffy alone, almost everything I go back and rewatch frequently from Seasons 4-7 are Joss episodes. I'd have voted for 4 Joss-only seasons, provided the mushrooms only affected his personal life and not the quality of the show.