Not at all, Steph, you're right.
Oh, look at the pretties!
Kaylee ,'Shindig'
Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Mar 15, 2013 9:08:20 am PDT #14890 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Jessica - Mar 15, 2013 9:09:12 am PDT #14891 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
My feeling is this is great news for his next Thanksgiving, but he wasn't elected to Congress to represent the interests of his immediate family. Show me the voting record.
Scrappy - Mar 15, 2013 9:09:35 am PDT #14892 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I'm with you, Teppy. I am glad he changed his mind and is public about it, because that's a plus, but the fact he only changed because it's his son is problematic. So I'm 100% glad/disapproving.
Jessica - Mar 15, 2013 9:11:24 am PDT #14893 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Trudy Booth - Mar 15, 2013 9:11:27 am PDT #14894 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I agree that it is baseline... but the bad options are SO wretched and so frequent that giving props for doing the plain ol' right thing is worth it society-wise. Some other person somewhere is going to be thiiiis much better to their kid or to people in general because someone they respect took this stand. He's famous, so potentially a lot of other persons.
It's like when Tommy Gabel became Laura Jane Grace. For a fair number of people that was their first "personal" experience with a gender transition. They didn't have to be particularly malicious to be in the position of having a lot to learn. They're better people for it now. Their reaction the next time they encounter someone trans-gendered is going to be better.
Steph L. - Mar 15, 2013 9:12:14 am PDT #14895 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Not at all, Steph, you're right.
Eh, I've been feeling like I've been having the wrong reactions all week, so this just magnifies it.
Jesse - Mar 15, 2013 9:15:51 am PDT #14896 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
This politician, on the other hand, I have nothing but positive feelings for.
Holy cow.
-t - Mar 15, 2013 9:19:13 am PDT #14897 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Not seeing any wrong in your reaction, Tep.
P.M. Marc - Mar 15, 2013 9:22:48 am PDT #14898 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I agree that it is baseline... but the bad options are SO wretched and so frequent that giving props for doing the plain ol' right thing is worth it society-wise. Some other person somewhere is going to be thiiiis much better to their kid or to people in general because someone they respect took this stand. He's famous, so potentially a lot of other persons.
Yeah, this.
And, frankly, his son is probably his first honest, serious interaction on a regular basis with someone who is gay, where they can't just slip past that fact. As I recall, one of the major reasons for a change in view on social issues is realizing that someone you care about is part of the demographic you've held ignorant beliefs about.
While I still think he's a wrong headed person on many issues, it's a starting point. It's an exceptionally important one. Would it have been better if he'd had a change of heart not motivated by family reasons? Sure, I suppose, and that does happen, but far more rarely than when it's something that suddenly hits home, because there's a reason people say the personal is political.
§ ita § - Mar 15, 2013 9:22:56 am PDT #14899 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Less bad is a little good. He could be better, but I wouldn't recommend him be shitty to his son until he's ready to be decent to everyone. Take your incremental gain, but don't give him a GLAAD award.
I have a Hugo Chavez quote: "Try and make your revolution go into combat. Advance a little - even if it's only a millimetre - in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias."