I wanna hurt you, but I can't resist the sinister attraction of your cold and muscular body!

Buffybot ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Nov 26, 2011 6:48:36 am PST #8582 of 30001
Because books.

there's got to be a combination of innate things including ability and desire

Like creativity and curiosity, for instance. There are a lot of people who can be taught to write a perfectly good essay, or even a novel. There are not a lot of people who are going to come with ideas for them the way, say, Neil Gaiman does.


smonster - Nov 26, 2011 6:48:36 am PST #8583 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Happy Birthday, Daisy Jane!! Such a pleasure to finally meet her, her hubby, and her pups this weekend.


-t - Nov 26, 2011 6:50:51 am PST #8584 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Many happy returns, Daisy Jane!


Jesse - Nov 26, 2011 6:51:23 am PST #8585 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Happy birthday, Daisy!


Liese S. - Nov 26, 2011 6:52:06 am PST #8586 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Well, I know as a music teacher I believe that anyone can be taught to play or sing. But without a doubt it is easier for some people than for others. Aptitute? Talent? There certainly is a large amount of work, drive, and luck that plays into whether or not someone succeeds in music.


Allyson - Nov 26, 2011 6:56:51 am PST #8587 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Can you be taught to be creative?


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2011 6:58:01 am PST #8588 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I believe that anyone can be taught to play or sing

Does it mean that you need the right teacher or teaching method?

I took extracurricular music with my sister and a couple of childhood friends, and it was really clearly obvious who had pipes of gold, who had effortless rhythm, and who could break down music theory and make it their bitch (not so small hint: I was told to focus on music theory within about six months of starting class. Paid off in results!).

Am I being lazy in thinking I have moderately above average drawing talent that could certainly be enhanced with training, but that my sister will never draw as well as I do? Just like there is no amount of voice training that will lead me to be mistaken for Whitney Houston, but she could do it raw.


beekaytee - Nov 26, 2011 7:01:58 am PST #8589 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Like creativity and curiosity, for instance. There are a lot of people who can be taught to write a perfectly good essay, or even a novel. There are not a lot of people who are going to come with ideas for them the way, say, Neil Gaiman does.

This brings me to the current season of the Sing Off (which I'm really enjoying).

Each week, it can be presumed, all the contestants work equally hard. It's a fishbowl situation where all they can/have to focus on is the competition.

Some are proficient, others are stunningly good in their arrangements and delivery. This would seem to me to be a microcosmic, if not microscopic representation of talent versus hard work.


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2011 7:05:42 am PST #8590 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whoops. I was all about to add DMV registration early to my to do list, so I don't let it slip this year like I usually do...and then I remembered: I DON'T OWN A CAR.

Man, I hate remembering that.


beekaytee - Nov 26, 2011 7:06:46 am PST #8591 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Am I being lazy in thinking I have moderately above average drawing talent that could certainly be enhanced with training

I could not draw a decent line until I read (was trained by) Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards. It changed everything. Now, I can do exemplary renderings but cannot draw-from-my-mind in the way that you can.

Some of our pieces might be comparable, but you have talent and I do not...to my way of thinking...because you can create something from nothing, whereas I can copy something quite well.