The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beekaytee - Nov 26, 2011 6:08:20 am PST #8568 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I'd let it go, but she said this year that she'd never been anything but nice to me, but that's just a local celebrity covering her ass. So, whatevs, Nadders.

Denial. Every mean person's friend.


DavidS - Nov 26, 2011 6:08:30 am PST #8569 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I remember the Challenger disaster because I watched it with Chris Knight, the actor who played Peter Brady on the Brady Bunch. It added that extra level of WTF to the event.

I was in college when John Lennon was killed and my friend Michael came into my room, "Did you hear the news? John Lennon was shot and killed!" Oddly everybody in our circle of friends immediately thought about our friend Dan, who'd really gotten into John Lennon's solo work in the previous year, particularly the Plastic Ono Band album.


Jesse - Nov 26, 2011 6:12:23 am PST #8570 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well, I just opened them, and apparently I have gallstones and a renal cyst. Uh, okay, maybe I don't have serious gallstones or a major kidney cyst (which I now have to look up), but surely they warrant a bit of conversation started by him? No?

Uh, yeah. My doctor's office calls with any non-normal results. That seems WTFfy.

So I ran out to do some errands while the laundry ran (I am so lazy, I like to go outside once I've gone down to the basement), and accidentally swung into Lord & Taylor, where I got Anne Klein boots for $64.50! They were half off, and I got $20 off for going in the morning. Merry Christmas, Jesse!


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2011 6:20:16 am PST #8571 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Every mean person's friend.

Funny/ironic/whatever thing was, she was really mean to my sister when she denied it. But for some reason, it was really important to her after my scant two years at school with her, to gush like we'd been best friends. I'm guessing it's pro-active PR, and she was everyone's best friend, and it was most important to gush where it wasn't true, in case her public reputation got tarnished with bitch and borderline bully.

You people are justifying me owning at least two butter dishes! Thank you! Let me at least not make them the same one.

-t, can you share pictures of your kitchen sometime? I have to admit, I kind of have environment envy of you and your kitchen stuff.


Allyson - Nov 26, 2011 6:29:33 am PST #8572 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm having a really interesting discussion about whether or not talent actually exists, or if it is all just hard work. I'm told that the literature consensus is that there is no "talent," only hard work and varying degrees of intelligence.

I don't think there are any known genetic markers for "music" in the way there are for eye color. But I'm unsure how that would be defined, anyway.


Hil R. - Nov 26, 2011 6:31:02 am PST #8573 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I don't think there are any known genetic markers for "music" in the way there are for eye color. But I'm unsure how that would be defined, anyway.

Well, there's perfect pitch, which doesn't guarantee musical talent, but certainly makes learning a lot of the technical things a lot easier.


Jesse - Nov 26, 2011 6:32:35 am PST #8574 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm told that the literature consensus is that there is no "talent," only hard work and varying degrees of intelligence.

That's got to be bullshit, I'm sorry. Unless you believe in different kinds of intelligence, and then that's the same thing as talent, I think. I mean, maybe my friend who is brilliant with numbers could work really hard and learn how to write a comprehensible sentence, but I can't believe she would ever be a brilliant writer.


DavidS - Nov 26, 2011 6:34:16 am PST #8575 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm having a really interesting discussion about whether or not talent actually exists, or if it is all just hard work. I'm told that the literature consensus is that there is no "talent," only hard work and varying degrees of intelligence.

Wasn't there a NY Times article on this recently? Something titled "Sorry Strivers" saying that talent was essential.

Having coached Little League for six years I'm confident that talent exists in widely various ways. Some of it is about physical gifts, but isn't that talent? Quick-twitch muscles and reflexes and eye-hand coordination.


Kat - Nov 26, 2011 6:35:02 am PST #8576 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Talent Matters too. Not enough to make up for a lack of hard work, but still.


Hil R. - Nov 26, 2011 6:36:37 am PST #8577 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I mean, maybe my friend who is brilliant with numbers could work really hard and learn how to write a comprehensible sentence, but I can't believe she would ever be a brilliant writer.

Yeah. I mean, I have worked pretty hard at music, because when I was a kid and teenager, it was important to me. I practiced a lot, and it led to me being somewhat proficient at a few different instruments, and decent at singing, but I know that I'm never going to be really great at any of them.