Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Nov 16, 2011 9:48:08 am PST #7079 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I can't tell if he is truly worried more about the humiliation of the church, because such a heinous thing happened, or because it's just a huge PR mess

Yeah. My problem is that (a) he seems to be claiming that only now do we think child rape is a really bad thing, which I think is a way of minimizing the horror of what priests did for decades to the children in their care; and (b) he seems to be simultaneously claiming that society is now degraded and that's why we have child abuse and pornography.

Both of which operate to avoid accepting the Church's responsibility for the harm it has caused. I want the Church to accept that responsibility and change itself so that it never does such a thing again. The more the blame is cast on the demon of social change rather than the toxic way the Church protects its own and clings to moral authority, the more likely it is that this shit will just continue.


Consuela - Nov 16, 2011 9:49:13 am PST #7080 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Or, you know, what everyone else said.

STOP PASSING THE BUCK, POPE.


Ginger - Nov 16, 2011 9:51:27 am PST #7081 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I also think it could be read as part of the ongoing effort to discredit liberation theology.


JZ - Nov 16, 2011 9:56:51 am PST #7082 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

ITA, Ginger.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2011 9:57:29 am PST #7083 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm going back to Suri's Burn Book. It's the only thing that makes sense in the world right now.

Seriously, I'm stuck there. I'm on an important conference call, but Suri's got my attention.


Consuela - Nov 16, 2011 9:58:38 am PST #7084 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I also think it could be read as part of the ongoing effort to discredit liberation theology.

Oh, yeah. t sigh


Jesse - Nov 16, 2011 10:03:14 am PST #7085 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I will just point out that my great-uncle was sexually assaulted by a priest at a boarding school in the 1930s, and his parents took him out of school, because they knew nothing would happen to the priest. Per my grandmother.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2011 10:05:02 am PST #7086 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Per my grandmother.

HIPPIE!


Allyson - Nov 16, 2011 10:09:58 am PST #7087 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't know what liberation theology is.

I'm so woefully ignorant of the church, and most religious stuff in general.


Cass - Nov 16, 2011 10:11:51 am PST #7088 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I'm going back to Suri's Burn Book. It's the only thing that makes sense in the world right now.

This. Well, this and the scrambled eggs that I just made for lunch using the very dregs of my fridge are really amazing.

I know some really amazing Catholics and it makes me sad that they or more like them are not in charge.