Wesley: I stabbed you. I should apologize for that. But I'm honestly not sure how. I think it'll just be awkward. Gunn: Good call. Wesley: Okay.

'Time Bomb'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Feb 10, 2012 1:17:22 pm PST #21342 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I think a 100% increase would mean twice the risk and extrapolating would mean that the risk would be 10 in 8. My guess is that this figure comes from a very narrow and carefully cherry-picked metric.

Okay, yeah, that was my first thought. It's just that my second thought was that there's no such thing as ten out of eight women, so clearly I'd done something wrong.

Did I mention the math anxiety? Even when I stumble on the right answer, I immediately proceed to talk myself out of it.


Gudanov - Feb 10, 2012 1:17:38 pm PST #21343 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I'm horrific at political debates because I want to make sure my numbers are accurate and I don't want to dismiss other claims out-of-hand. This means I have trouble with anyone who pulls figures out of their ass or is basing their info on BS information.


meara - Feb 10, 2012 1:18:15 pm PST #21344 of 30001

I don't think you can extrapolate from the numbers JZ gave, because those are numbers for all women...which means that women who do or don't take the pill are included in it. And it depends on how LONG you take the pill also.

See the below link--decreases ovarian and endometrial risk, may increase breast cancer risk but after 10 years off (which is MOST women, since most women aren't diagnosed until they're old) it's the same, and increases liver cancer for white women but not others. May increase cervical, but really mostly that risk is about HPV.

[link]


Ginger - Feb 10, 2012 1:22:21 pm PST #21345 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The actual answer is that there is no or very little increased risk for breast cancer. There may be a slightly higher breast cancer risk while a woman is actually taking oral contraceptives, but that goes away completely 10 years after she stops taking them. Some studies show none at all. There's more correlation with shift work than oral contraceptives.

Contraceptive use decreases the risk of ovarian cancer and increases the rate of cervical cancer, but the latter may be related to more sexual partners.

eta: Or what Meara said.


JZ - Feb 10, 2012 1:27:11 pm PST #21346 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

My guess is that this figure comes from a very narrow and carefully cherry-picked metric.

Also, this? I'm starting to think that the figure just comes from a bunch of out-and-out lies. Just for sick, bitter fun, last week I started going through one pro-life org's list of scary scary cites for peer-reviewed articles that prove the cancer link, but probably 3/4 of the list was pure bullshit. Real articles, sure enough, but real articles that state right in the conclusions (and sometimes in the abstract, in bold), "THESE NUMBERS FAIL TO DEMONSTRATE ANY INCREASED RISK."

I still don't know why I'm so shocked, except that I had been so prepared to find a bunch of cherry-picking that it had never crossed my mind that they might jump straight to naked lying.


tommyrot - Feb 10, 2012 1:33:26 pm PST #21347 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yeah, it's ok to lie if it's for Jesus.


Polgara - Feb 10, 2012 1:34:13 pm PST #21348 of 30001
Karma is a cat, sleeping in my lap cuz it loves me. ~TS

And yet, isn't "Thou shalt not bear false witness" one of the Big Ten?


Ginger - Feb 10, 2012 1:42:23 pm PST #21349 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I guess the pro-life people think the National Cancer Institute [link] is lying because it's a tool of the pro-abortion liberal thugs. Also, facts have a liberal bias.


Connie Neil - Feb 10, 2012 1:43:04 pm PST #21350 of 30001
brillig

re: moot

Entmoot! Where Ents go to talk endlessly of things! Of course!

Connie Neil, being slow on the uptake since 1961.


Ginger - Feb 10, 2012 1:47:34 pm PST #21351 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Entmoot! Where Ents go to talk endlessly of things!

Moot is derived from the Germanic word for meeting, meetings being places where people talk endlessly of things that make no difference.