I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Cheese Man ,'Chosen'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


SuziQ - Feb 10, 2012 8:27:35 am PST #21271 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Plus, this isn't new. Insurance companies/employers have been required to provide coverage for bc since 2000 (ish - going on the article linked yesterday). The current change expands who is required (companies under 15 folks...) and adds the no-copay.

None of this shoves the bc down anyone's throats. It is an available option. Just like Viagra is an available option. Geeeeeeesh.


tommyrot - Feb 10, 2012 8:30:21 am PST #21272 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

All your facts and reasoned arguments are a distraction! Obama has started a war on Christians! Which Santorum says will end up with Christians being guillotined!

(He really said that. It's some dog-whistle thing about the book of Revelations.)


§ ita § - Feb 10, 2012 8:31:14 am PST #21273 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why can't people understand that enterprise-level content management systems don't come with out of the box solutions that anyone's ever satisfied with? How can people be so simultaneously sure that they're special flowers and that someone has solved this *precise* problem before in an entirely portable and externally supportable way. You can't have both ways. You can't decide that publishing means exactly *this* to you, and expect random (not overly expensive) application to have intuited that before you even came along. Not in content management. Not even in most business process automation I've encountered on a platform where you insist on defining precisely what "staging" and "production" mean to you.

Do you really want to use someone else's definition? Do you really think you could even satisfy two different departments in your one company with one definition, much less an industry-neutral application having already come up with your precise definition?

t /way-too-specific rant


Typo Boy - Feb 10, 2012 8:33:43 am PST #21274 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Everyone wants their application to have one line of code and one button.

The line of code is "no bugs"

The button is "do what I'm thinking"


meara - Feb 10, 2012 8:36:57 am PST #21275 of 30001

Would Catholic hospitals and such possible say "Fuck you then, we won't offer insurance"? I mean, that'd cause a lot of employees to up and quit, but...


Jesse - Feb 10, 2012 8:37:16 am PST #21276 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't understand the compromise. Basically, Catholic Institution can tell its female employees "Although we are providing you with insurance, we do not cover contraception," but then the exact same insurance *will* provide contraception? How is it not covered, then?
Can someone re-word it for me? Because I honestly don't understand it.

It just puts the costs onto the insurance company, rather than the employer?

ION, I bought a tiny suitcase the other weekend, and it is just barely big enough for a wintertime long weekend trip, which actually makes it perfect, I think -- it will be great for a work overnight, which is half of what I was thinking about. But I can only bring the shoes I'm wearing today.


Kate P. - Feb 10, 2012 8:40:23 am PST #21277 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I don't understand the compromise. Basically, Catholic Institution can tell its female employees "Although we are providing you with insurance, we do not cover contraception," but then the exact same insurance *will* provide contraception? How is it not covered, then?

I'm not sure I understand it either. Are they saying that if Catholic Institution refuses to pay for contraception coverage as part of a health insurance plan, that the insurer must offer it to the employees free of charge anyway? So basically everyone still gets the same contraception-inclusive insurance plan, but Catholic Institution gets to say "We don't want to pay for this specific part of it"?

I think part of what's confusing me is the idea that an employer can pick and choose which parts of an insurance plan they will pay for. I always thought that insurers offered specific plans, which employers then bought, in their entirety, for their employees. In other words, I thought an employer could say, "We'd like to offer our employees your Plans A, B, and C." I didn't think they could say "We want to offer our employees Plan A except for the birth control, Plan B except for the mental health coverage, and Plan C except for the vision coverage."


Jessica - Feb 10, 2012 8:41:29 am PST #21278 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I assume the insurance company's "plan with bc" will be the same cost as the plan w/o. I mean, I can't see them playing it any other way.


Steph L. - Feb 10, 2012 8:45:52 am PST #21279 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Would Catholic hospitals and such possible say "Fuck you then, we won't offer insurance"? I mean, that'd cause a lot of employees to up and quit, but...

The Archdiocese of Cincinnati flat-out said that if they were required to offer insurance that covers birth control, then they *would* stop providing insurance at all, to any of their employees.

Way to be pro-life.


brenda m - Feb 10, 2012 8:47:35 am PST #21280 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Would Catholic hospitals and such possible say "Fuck you then, we won't offer insurance"? I mean, that'd cause a lot of employees to up and quit, but...

They haven't so far. But they do appear ready to jump off that cliff, at least at the upper eschelons.