Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2012 5:48:50 pm PST #14866 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

No extrapolation to all conservatives

I'ma get nitpicky over someone else's words, but the implication of judging conservatives in the same sentence as mistreating animals is drawing an line between political leaning and the state of mind described. I mean, that's what I infer from their proximity in the sentence. I don't know how else to read it.

And brenda has admitted she was tarring with too wide a brush, so that's from the speaker's own keyboard.


DavidS - Jan 06, 2012 5:52:07 pm PST #14867 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You know how much I hate sweeping generalizations, but I really do think pushing an "except for Nazis!" exception here is missing the point.

Historically, there are lots of political parties besides Nazis that I would be very judgey about a person's affiliation. I have zero problem judging somebody in France who aligned themselves with with the explicitly xenophobic/racist National Front under Le Pen.


bon bon - Jan 06, 2012 5:52:47 pm PST #14868 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't read it that way, msbelle. A statement like "I may be misjudging conservatives but I have observed X behavior among them" is an invitation to extrapolate. Otherwise there's no reason to say it, no reason to add the non-caveat caveat. No reason to be "judging" a group for anything, since it's apparently not a data point.

And (eta: with regard to the assertion that people here do it all the time) I'm perfectly happy to call out someone who makes a broad, false generalization by a group unlikely to defend themselves here. We don't need lurkers or closeted conservatives to feel like this stuff goes unchallenged.


msbelle - Jan 06, 2012 5:53:12 pm PST #14869 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I could be wrong about rednecks, but I know a lot of rednecks who are more interested in their trucks and beer supply than their children and spouses.


Jesse - Jan 06, 2012 5:53:34 pm PST #14870 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have zero problem judging somebody in France who aligned themselves with with the explicitly xenophobic/racist National Front under Le Pen.

Judging their treatment of pets??


Amy - Jan 06, 2012 5:55:03 pm PST #14871 of 30001
Because books.

sara, your neighbor's book looks fantastic. And yay for local bookstore shopping! Another local author here is having her launch at the big bookstore I love tomorrow night, and that's where I'm getting my copy. (Also because she can sign it!)


DavidS - Jan 06, 2012 5:59:30 pm PST #14872 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Judging their treatment of pets??

No, judging their choice in political party. Though I'm sure there are some pro-vivisectionist political parties that I'd disapprove of.


msbelle - Jan 06, 2012 6:01:37 pm PST #14873 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

And to be clear, I have no problem calling out overgeneralization. Pretty sure I did that too. Pretty sure I want people to do that. I think it can be done in different ways.


Connie Neil - Jan 06, 2012 6:02:12 pm PST #14874 of 30001
brillig

Note to self: Descriptions of personal experience that include provisos for possible error and statements that such experience may not apply to the entire population and which are phrased to elicit conversation on such point are likely to result in being called out as judgemental and insulting to all the people who were theorized to actually exist. Keep such musings to oneself in the future, as one's personal experience and opinions are apparently cause for high dudgeon and outrage, not for reasonable counterpoint and respectful challenge.

IE, I came here for an argument, not abuse. Is that down the hall?


sarameg - Jan 06, 2012 6:05:55 pm PST #14875 of 30001

Hanne isn't really a neighbor (though not far from me) but she's neighborhood-adjacent. And cookie-commentator. She's also got books out on the history of virginity and one on sex and size and some erotica (none of which I've read, going to remedy that.) She's pro-oxford comma.