Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.

'Shells'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Jan 06, 2012 5:14:31 pm PST #14844 of 30001

As a party, I find the Republican Party policy line unfriendly to women's issues. However, again, not an assumption I direct at individuals who define themselves as conservative until I've sussed them out. I direct the same assumption to anyone I meet. I went to school in a liberal arts hippy haven. I ran into some appalling attitudes (to me) on women, animals, the environment, books, wine, chocolate, sex, squirrels, drugs, apple vs. pc, cilantro...etc.

Y'know, somehow I ended up with a best friend who is not a reader and who doesn't like chocolate. I don't even know how that happened. I dare not ask her stance on cilantro or squirrels, but at least we have our love of Apple products in common.


sarameg - Jan 06, 2012 5:16:30 pm PST #14845 of 30001

I'm being very specific to the context. Deeds, not words, you hippy liberal SFican! And there have been plenty of affiliations for show, but I'm too damn lazy to cite.


sarameg - Jan 06, 2012 5:17:25 pm PST #14846 of 30001

I love you, msbelle.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 06, 2012 5:18:25 pm PST #14847 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think it is unfair to judge based on political affiliation. There are equal opportunity assholes.

Just joining my voice to those raising objections to this sort of insulting generalization. Much of my family on both sides is Conservative, and the bulk of them of them are fonder of and more caring toward animals than I am despite my being one of the Leftmost-leaning.

Things in here are skirting worryingly close to the kind of "those who disagree with me aren't really people with real feelings" demonization that the worst elements of the Religious Right employ against their political enemies. Not cool.


Jessica - Jan 06, 2012 5:20:10 pm PST #14848 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Just arguing that the blanket statement is too general.

You know how much I hate sweeping generalizations, but I really do think pushing an "except for Nazis!" exception here is missing the point.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2012 5:21:05 pm PST #14849 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

pushing an "except for Nazis!" exception here is missing the point

We'll be sure to put in the note when we put it to a vote, just in case.


Ginger - Jan 06, 2012 5:21:42 pm PST #14850 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I think the dog incident is very telling about Romney, as is Gingrich's treatment of his wives and Ron Paul's support of the Trilateral Commission conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't tar the whole party with those brushes.


bon bon - Jan 06, 2012 5:22:29 pm PST #14851 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm regretting not using more derision. Seriously, I'm pretty offended by the suggestion that whole swathes of people who have non-animal beliefs care less about animals. That's a pretty strong contention with no evidence to back it up.


sarameg - Jan 06, 2012 5:23:41 pm PST #14852 of 30001

OK, got one lazyass cite: Schindler was a Nazi party member. Deeds, not labels.

Oh, go read my cookie-competitor's intro chapter. Seriously, fascinating shit. Need to get down to Atomic Books to buy it (hell yeahs, I'm buying local authors from local stores!)


Hil R. - Jan 06, 2012 5:24:32 pm PST #14853 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The most famous political speech about a dog that I can think of came from Nixon.