Mal: And I never back down from a fight. Inara: Yes, you do! You do all the time!

'Shindig'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 22, 2011 4:18:35 pm PST #12683 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Also, hydrofluoric acid is also natural. Have a sip. I'll call the hearse. PEOPLE.

Yeah, I think to myself that belladonna is all-natural too, but taking it in its natural state doesn't cure anything unless you consider breathing to be a pesky affliction.


Allyson - Dec 22, 2011 4:19:08 pm PST #12684 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But it is really true that Big Pharma has a long history of testing drugs in prisons and poor nations without gaining proper consent.

Oh yeah. There's huge corruption. I don't want it to appear that I'm absolving Big Pharma from past/current sins. The bullshit they pull aids in the distrust of them, and probably results in a ton of harm from people who actually have some pretty good factual reasons to distrust Big Pharma.

And you know, there are supposed to be regulatory agencies policing the shit out of them. I think mostly it does work, which is why it can frustratingly slow to get some great new drug out on the market. But also, less likely to have babies with flippers.

Shit is complex.


askye - Dec 22, 2011 4:23:02 pm PST #12685 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

There are a few people selling quack stuff I kinda end up reading just because. One of them is pretty vocal about how the cure to all that ails us is colonics.

Daily colonics and a raw food diet or at least a whole food diet. But, besides the colonics here's a whole host of stuff to spend your money on! But also he comes up with ideas that he read in a really old book somewhere so it must be true! Like - there were monks (or some old dudes living a long time ago) who went into caves and slept in caves and they regrew their hair! and Teeth! And it was in this really old book so it must be true!


Jesse - Dec 22, 2011 4:39:41 pm PST #12686 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Because clearly people were healthier in Olden Tymes?


§ ita § - Dec 22, 2011 4:45:32 pm PST #12687 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Buh. I just checked my mail, and in it was another thing I bought for my sister. She really profited from my overwork and lack of satisfying ideas of what to buy her. She scored a lot, because I forgot I bought her stuff each time I bought it.

NOW. If only these files would copy to my tablet. I want to finish up watching Misfits, dammit.


askye - Dec 22, 2011 4:46:16 pm PST #12688 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

Well they had all the ancient wisdom that Big Pharma stole from us. Or the scientist conspired to hideaway. Or something.

This same person believes that eating raw food and doing colonics (and other stuff) makes you "clean" down to a cellular level. As you get cleaner your start to undo all the damage you did in the past and get younger. Not physically regress, but your body goes to a younger and younger point. So anything bad that happens while you are doing colonics, raw food, and taking the magic supplements, is just your body reliving stuff from the past. It's nothing to do with what's going on now.


Jessica - Dec 22, 2011 4:47:36 pm PST #12689 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The problem with buying into the "BIG PHARMA IS EVIL" myth is that the alternative to "big pharma" is a supplement/alt-med industry that is equally as large and corrupt as Big Pharma only without any regulation at all.

In order to put a drug on the market, a pharmaceutical company spends millions (billions?) of dollars and decades on research and development. They have to prove that the drug is safe and effective and they are legally barred from claiming that a drug does anything except what it has been explicitly tested and proven to do. (Legitimate off-label uses have to be tested and marketed separately - this is what got Neurontin in trouble. Not that they were making false claims, but the off-label uses they were promoting had not been through clinical trials.) When FDA-approved drugs turn out to have harmful side effects, they are pulled from the market immediately with huge legal and financial consequences for the company who was selling them.

In order to put a homeopathic remedy or a new herbal supplement on the market, a company has to hire a graphic designer to draw a smiling baby surrounded by flowers on the outside of the box. Because there is no requirement to prove that the products are either safe or effective, profit margins in alt-med are astronomical, and if you're weaselly enough in your language, you can claim to treat pretty much anything.

(There was a bill slowly making it's way through Congress to bring the supplement industry under the umbrella of the FDA instead of the FTC, but as far as I know it hasn't gone anywhere. It's understandable, I mean why should we be worried about babies getting belladonna poisoning from homeopathic teething tablets when there are people illegally downloading movies on the internet??)


brenda m - Dec 22, 2011 4:48:57 pm PST #12690 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

This same person believes that eating raw food and doing colonics (and other stuff) makes you "clean" down to a cellular level. As you get cleaner your start to undo all the damage you did in the past and get younger. Not physically regress, but your body goes to a younger and younger point. So anything bad that happens while you are doing colonics, raw food, and taking the magic supplements, is just your body reliving stuff from the past. It's nothing to do with what's going on now.

Thanks Dr. Kellogg.


Jessica - Dec 22, 2011 4:50:57 pm PST #12691 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's a colon cleansing place down the street from me. I can't imagine there's actually that much demand for colon cleansing, but they've been in business for years!


javachik - Dec 22, 2011 4:55:33 pm PST #12692 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

And you know, there are supposed to be regulatory agencies policing the shit out of them. I think mostly it does work, which is why it can frustratingly slow to get some great new drug out on the market. But also, less likely to have babies with flippers.

Yup. Full disclosure - I am one of the people in our company responsible for dealing with the FDA. FDA gets a really bad rap but in my experience they are actually very good and do their best to make sure that what a company claims is actually the verified truth. FDA has come a LONG way in 20 years, largely a result of the Prescription Drug Act.

And THANK YOU, Jess, for your entire post.