I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Dec 17, 2011 5:11:25 pm PST #12033 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Holy shit I just read her. The arrogance is astounding.


smonster - Dec 17, 2011 5:16:56 pm PST #12034 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Hey Allyson, have you seen this? [link]


Allyson - Dec 17, 2011 5:18:22 pm PST #12035 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh hells yeah. My Beasties. I saw a recent photo of Adam Yauch and he looks so frail. I'm heartbroken.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2011 5:19:01 pm PST #12036 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The arrogance is astounding.

You see why I'm saying you might make some missteps, but you won't be her? And, unlike her, you get that there are missteps, and that you might make them, and that's really the important distinction right there. Quantum motherfucking leap.

I understand what you say about getting something out of someone else's response to a struggle that you don't have to go through--that's definitely got the potential to go bad. But, seriously, if you stick to a) what it means to you and b) not trivialising what it means to the group in question, you've done a lot of the due diligence. Because I suspect you do get what Chuck D is on about.


Strix - Dec 17, 2011 5:34:17 pm PST #12037 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I have TOTAL hood cred!

I have FOUR hoodies!


Allyson - Dec 17, 2011 5:35:05 pm PST #12038 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

We call them missteps, and among friends, we get that's what it is. We can have a conversation, like when i learned that "subhuman" is a word fraught with racist connotations, and be embarrassed and resolve to not use it because it's hurtful. And you can get that it was a misstep and not an asshole move, and know that I'm embarrassed and feel shame.

Putting it all down in a book without the back and forth, though, is such a different animal. There's no opportunity for someone to know that I made an error in a phrase and would feel ashamed for having done so if it was pointed out. There's no opportunity for me to say, "I didn't think of it like that, and I'm sorry I was just a jerkface, thanks for bringing it to my attention."

That's sort of what frightens me. Chuck's defiance is against an outside oppressor, and my oppressor is internal. It's self-doubt. The result is the same, in that there's an inspiration to overcome. He's talking about racism, clearly. But the things he's saying and the way he's saying it resonate no matter what kind of oppressor one is trying to beat down.

When I say that, I worry that I'm appropriating his point, because, you know, I am. But also, I can think two things at the same time. This is what Chuck means, and this is what Chuck means to me. I'm either too subtle or anvil about it. I can't find the medium place that lets me make the point in a way that I'm not worried that I've hurt someone.

It's like hearing someone say, "I'm not going to sit on the back of the bus!" when referring to missing a door-buster sale or getting a high number at the deli. Yes. That's just what Rosa Parks meant you to think, asshat.


Strix - Dec 17, 2011 5:39:25 pm PST #12039 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Yes, but if your essay contains anything like what you just stated, Allyson, then I think anyone misconstruing your sincerity and intentions is going to be LOOKING to misconstrue it. And there ain't nothing you can do about that.


Allyson - Dec 17, 2011 5:39:55 pm PST #12040 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Anyway, fucking hair lady has no shame at all. She's doubling down.


Strix - Dec 17, 2011 5:43:28 pm PST #12041 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Also: art is subjective. Music is art. So what Chuck D's intentions may or may not have been, when he sent it out into the world, the listeners are going to synthesize their experiences into/onto it.

And that's what art is all about, right? The author writes a book. The author's intention may be transparent, they may be oblique, but the way the myriad of readers interpret the book can be vastly different. (Otherwise, we would have no English departments, right?!)


Allyson - Dec 17, 2011 5:45:34 pm PST #12042 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh of course! On explication, I want to first know, "what did the creator of this piece intend to tell me?" Second, "What does this mean to me?"