Gunn: You saying popping mama threw you a beating? Lorne: Kid Vicious did the heavy lifting. Cordy just mwah-ha-ha'd at us.

'Underneath'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sj - Jul 16, 2011 4:18:14 pm PDT #16933 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Some dude living a sad life while married to a crazy woman doesn't actually hurt anyone else.

Well, some people might argue that trying to "cure the gay" out of others as a therapist is hurting other people.


le nubian - Jul 16, 2011 4:19:40 pm PDT #16934 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jesse,

except for the fact that he runs a clinic to "de-gay" gay people. I don't much care for speculating - I have never seen the man, I don't give a shit - but his clinic is really odious. The things he has said about gay people are really odious.


Jesse - Jul 16, 2011 4:21:52 pm PDT #16935 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, the clinic stuff is horrifying. Let's spend a full segment of a hugely popular show talking about that, not how he talks and dances.


DavidS - Jul 16, 2011 4:24:21 pm PDT #16936 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'd be more concerned about targeting Mr. Bachman being in the closet except there's such a looooong history of super conservative homophobes who turn out to be themselves gay.


Jesse - Jul 16, 2011 4:26:31 pm PDT #16937 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I can't imagine many of that kind of clinic ISN'T run by "ex gays" or whatever, but it's just not the point. And saying someone's gay because of how he talks is just homophobic.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 16, 2011 4:30:25 pm PDT #16938 of 30001
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I'm with you Jesse. If we want to live and let live, we have to let others do the same. The clinic is something we can focus on, but talking about Mr. Bachmann's sexuality based on his characteristics is doing just what I don't like people to do to anyone.


Consuela - Jul 16, 2011 4:31:28 pm PDT #16939 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

The clinic is something we can focus on, but talking about Mr. Bachmann's sexuality based on his characteristics is doing just what I don't like people to do to anyone.

Exactly.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 16, 2011 4:40:34 pm PDT #16940 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Jesse- I am watching Freedom Riders finally, and it is really good. It is a little depressing, because in some ways I feel like they fought so hard, and now everything is sort of the same, it is just underground. In Rochester, no one has to ride in the back of the bus, but very few white people ride the bus. The schools aren't "segregated" but there aren't many white people in the city school districts. The charter schools are sucking the more privileged students out of the schools. At the Uni where I work, the "cleaners" are minorities, and the Facilities folks are white-- most of the "pink collar" jobs are white, most of the cafeteria workers are minority. It is really weird.


le nubian - Jul 16, 2011 4:49:40 pm PDT #16941 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jesse,

I see your point, but don't you think they were treating Bachmann's husband like comedians would instead of like newscasters would? I can totally see, for example, Louie C.K. saying that kind of shit about Mr. Bachmann.


Jesse - Jul 16, 2011 4:52:43 pm PDT #16942 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I wouldn't have minded it as a throw-away. Or if they had left it to the audience to make the joke after showing the clips. It was just too much. I'm not opposed to all offensive humor.

And Sophia, ugh. At least it's not the law, at least?

In lighter news, I can not believe how much hair I have brushed off my cat this week. I can see why people want to make crafts out of it.