What is your childhood trauma?

Cordelia ,'Lessons'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Jul 15, 2011 7:09:25 am PDT #16784 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I know it's not a cult. I was more making fun of my own inability to come up with the word I wanted.


Allyson - Jul 15, 2011 7:14:46 am PDT #16785 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's not a cult!

It's a collective.

It's not even a community as far as I can see. Not in the way Buffy fandom was a community. Very few people who aren't the Talent (for lack of a better word) seem to have any real ties to each other.

I wonder if my carpool buddies (Jennifer and Sean Carroll) propel me into BNF status. HAHAHAHAHA.

That was a weird time in my life.


Jessica - Jul 15, 2011 7:23:44 am PDT #16786 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's not even a community as far as I can see. Not in the way Buffy fandom was a community. Very few people who aren't the Talent (for lack of a better word) seem to have any real ties to each other.

I think that's true as far as the internet is concerned and at a big event like TAM, but there are tons of local skeptics groups all over the place which have no big names attached to them. Those meetups create communities.


Allyson - Jul 15, 2011 7:46:51 am PDT #16787 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh definitely. I didn't think. Skepchicks run vaccination clinics and it appears that a community has sprung around WTF (Women Thinking Free).


P.M. Marc - Jul 15, 2011 8:03:34 am PDT #16788 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

SERIOUSLY. It's a very white male privilege and VERY ANGRY when you call it out sort of thing.

Yeah. It's why I stopped reading most skeptic sites. There's enough crossover with the Randroid/Reason set that it's nasty as heck when you call 'em on it.


Allyson - Jul 15, 2011 8:10:50 am PDT #16789 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Because their identities are wrapped up in believing that they are completely rational, and sexism/racism is irrational. Sometimes they double down and turn to evo psych to justify it all.


sumi - Jul 15, 2011 8:16:26 am PDT #16790 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

My laptop is braindead. I had to order it a new brain with disk (because I can't find the disk). My poor laptop.


P.M. Marc - Jul 15, 2011 8:16:51 am PDT #16791 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Because their identities are wrapped up in believing that they are completely rational, and sexism/racism is irrational. Sometimes they double down and turn to evo psych to justify it all.

Exactly, Allyson.

They get all irrational about it, too.

(I've noticed that calling skeptics of any gender on their irrationality and the confirmation bias in their opinions -- skeptifem, I am looking at your irrational nonsense on porn and pitbulls -- is the quickest way to get them to foam at the mouth.)


Jessica - Jul 15, 2011 8:24:00 am PDT #16792 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

(I've noticed that calling skeptics of any gender on their irrationality and the confirmation bias in their opinions -- skeptifem, I am looking at your irrational nonsense on porn and pitbulls -- is the quickest way to get them to foam at the mouth.)

Is there anywhere at all on the internet where you can call people on their irrationality without starting a flame war? The only difference I see with skeptic sites is that you can use the term "confirmation bias" without having to link to Wikipedia.


P.M. Marc - Jul 15, 2011 8:29:10 am PDT #16793 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Is there anywhere at all on the internet where you can call people on their irrationality without starting a flame war? The only difference I see with skeptic sites is that you can use the term "confirmation bias" without having to link to Wikipedia.

Phobia support sites? I dunno. But I will note that in my time on skeptic sites, and back when I still read Reason for S&Gs, you didn't even have to SAY irrational. You just had to SUGGEST that, hey! why don't we look into problem X from a skeptic/libertarian/whatever POV! and you'd have people leaping up in outrage, denying that it was a problem they had to address AT ALL!

Which, normal on the internet, yes, but still depressing to see.