Oh, at first it was confusing. Just the idea of computers was like — whoa! I'm eleven hundred years old! I had trouble adjusting to the idea of Lutherans.

Anya ,'Get It Done'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Jul 06, 2011 8:36:50 pm PDT #15615 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Big Giant Head (Ocean Sunfish) for billytea.

Sea Turtle for Jessimoon.


DavidS - Jul 06, 2011 8:40:12 pm PDT #15616 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Do you mean the spider crabs? I do like the spider crabs.

No, there were some spiny crabs and then this stone crab that was creepy. Also they had a HUGE 60 y.o. lobster.

Hey, which penguin species do they have at Monterey now?

I don't know! Smallish.

In the Flamingo exhibit they had a Scarlet Ibex! So freakin' cool. Also some very galumphing Spoonbills.


DavidS - Jul 06, 2011 8:46:10 pm PDT #15617 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Leafy Dragon seahorse

Fancy jellyfish.

Emmett's iPhone takes better pictures than our digital camera.


billytea - Jul 06, 2011 8:46:35 pm PDT #15618 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I just bought it. Anything that you are rereading and is a field that interests me, I know I should just get it. Thanks for the unintended recommendation, billytea.

It's a fantastic read. The author has been at the forefront of evolutionary thought through the 20th century, so he speaks with authority. Frankly, more so than Dawkins, not to diss his ability either to communicate evolutionary ideas or to marry former Time Ladies. (This is not simply a gratuitous comparison, as there's at least one point of contention between the two in which Mayr is fairly scornful of Dawkins' position.) And he's not afraid to use that authority; he'll quite happily stake out a position on contentious issues and argue his case, objectivity be damned. (For instance: he argues against birds being descended from dinosaurs, arguing instead that they both evolved from a common ancestor. I should note that subsequent fossil finds in China have pretty much spelt the end of this particular controversy.)

His relationship to a lay audience is complicated, however, I think he does a great job of explaining key ideas with admirable clarity. (His section on explaining the five different concepts that went into Darwin's theory of evolution is superb.) However, where his explication runs into technical terminology, he'll simply use it, without either skirting or explaining (if it's not germane to his main point). That can appear daunting; I'm appreciative, however. I've been reading the book with Wikipedia open on my iPhone, and where he drops these nods to a deeper topic, I'll take a detour to gather what he's referring to. I spent an entire afternoon plumbing the details of archosaurs and synapsids, and following linky treasure hunts, before getting back to the printed page.

Plus, it has a seahorse on the front, and carries Ryan's stamp of approval. ("Seahorse!" Back cover: "No seahorse.")


billytea - Jul 06, 2011 8:51:05 pm PDT #15619 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Those are some excellent pics. I love the lighting for the jellyfish; I recall Monterey's presentation being simply arresting.


DavidS - Jul 06, 2011 8:51:09 pm PDT #15620 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Clarification: Monterey has Blackfooted Penguins.

Otters: We saw Kit whose surrogate parent was Toola (she has a seizure disorder! But she's an excellent surrogate Otter Mommy.)


DavidS - Jul 06, 2011 8:52:21 pm PDT #15621 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I recall Monterey's presentation being simply arresting.

Yep. I noticed that as well. One of the best I've ever seen.

Doesn't hurt that it was funded originally by David Packard (Of Hewlett-Packard) and has close ties to Silicon Valley.


Cass - Jul 06, 2011 8:53:02 pm PDT #15622 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

It looks amazing. Also, seahorses.

That can appear daunting; I'm appreciative, however.

Given my happy obsession with the subject, I have no issue with this. At best, I know what he's talking about. At EVEN BETTER, I go learn something new.

Is it because of you that I have (and clearly forgot about until I just opened a different book reader) Breakthrough!: How the 10 Greatest Discoveries in Medicine Saved Millions and Changed Our View of the World by Jon Queijo? Because this looks pretty interesting too.


billytea - Jul 06, 2011 9:06:53 pm PDT #15623 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Is it because of you that I have (and clearly forgot about until I just opened a different book reader) Breakthrough!: How the 10 Greatest Discoveries in Medicine Saved Millions and Changed Our View of the World by Jon Queijo? Because this looks pretty interesting too.

If it is, then it would be through a tortuous route. I've not heard of this book before, though I approve of the topic. I've put it on my wishlist.


Cass - Jul 06, 2011 9:11:32 pm PDT #15624 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

If it is, then it would be through a tortuous route.

Could be physicist uncle. I know vaccination is one of the breakthroughs discussed and we were talking about that a while back. Or who knows. People mention interesting books and I often check them out. Or Powell's. Mmm, Powell's.

I've put it on my wishlist.

I am through the intro and part of the first chapter(Hippocrates), it's interesting. Written so far for the layperson but not condescending.