I couldn't believe it the first twenty times you told us, but it's starting to sink in now.

Riley ,'Lessons'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 30, 2010 8:35:26 am PST #8168 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Totes! San Francisco is where "San Francisco Values" come from.


tommyrot - Nov 30, 2010 8:38:26 am PST #8169 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A cool source of X-mas presents for geeks: Makers Market refugees

Since the Makers Market shut, a group of self-described "MM Refugees" set up an Etsy treasury to promote their "wonderful science, tech and artistic creations." Some of my favorite items from the Makers Market are in their collection, from nixie clocks to the Time Bandits map to the phillips head steampunk earrings. Great gift ideas!

MM Refugees (Etsy)


DavidS - Nov 30, 2010 8:42:44 am PST #8170 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Totes! San Francisco is where "San Francisco Values" come from.

That's true, but we value cherry-chocolate bread and gingerbread pancakes. And lots of kinky sex and cocktails. So, pretty much just like Thomas Jefferson.


Cashmere - Nov 30, 2010 8:49:30 am PST #8171 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

So, pretty much just like Thomas Jefferson.

Hec's a blasphemer. Pass it on.


DavidS - Nov 30, 2010 8:52:03 am PST #8172 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hec's a blasphemer. Pass it on.

Blaspheming is also a San Francisco value. After all, Anton LaVey lived here.


tommyrot - Nov 30, 2010 9:01:24 am PST #8173 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

You know, Jefferson had sex with his slave, and so do some San Franciscoans....


Fred Pete - Nov 30, 2010 9:09:27 am PST #8174 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

But according to the people that decree what schoolbooks in Texas should say, Jefferson no longer counts as a Founding Father.


DavidS - Nov 30, 2010 9:10:34 am PST #8175 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But according to the people that decree what schoolbooks in Texas should say, Jefferson no longer counts as a Founding Father.

Really? Do they just blunk out his face on their money? Maybe paste it over with a Reagan puss?


tommyrot - Nov 30, 2010 9:11:54 am PST #8176 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Jefferson no longer counts as a Founding Father.

Why is that? Is it because he said something about how the United States is not a Christian nation?


tommyrot - Nov 30, 2010 9:25:56 am PST #8177 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OK, this is just too funny. Guess what country a prominent neocon thinks we should invade? Sweden!

Bush Speechwriter Marc Thiessen Suggests Invading U.S.-Allied Nations To Capture WikiLeaks Founder

Conservative outrage over the WikiLeaks release of secret State Department cables has reached a fever pitch, with Rep. Pete King (R-NY) — who will chair the Homeland Security Committee in the new Congress — demanding the group be declared a terrorist organization. Former GOP Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum echoed King yesterday, saying WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is guilty of “terrorism,” while a number of Republican lawmakers have called for treason charges against suspected leaker Bradley Manning. Meanwhile, a number of conservative figures have fantasized about committing bodily harm to Assange.

But former Bush speechwriter-cum-leading torture advocate Marc Thiessen took this outrage to comic heights last night on Fox News host Sean Hannity’s show. Proving that neoconservatives never miss an opportunity to call for war, Thiessen suggested that if diplomacy fails to capture Assange, the U.S. should “go and get him” — with or without his host country’s permission:

THIESSEN: There are plenty of tools at our disposal. … But failing that, we can act unilaterally. We can go and get him without another country’s permission. We did it with General Noriega — there’s authority within the Office of Legal Counsel and that we can go and take anybody anywhere in the world.

Assange has said he travels constantly to avoid arrest, but WikiLeaks’ base of operations is in Sweden — a close ally of the U.S. — and Assange is believed to spend some time there. Thiessen also mentioned Iceland, a NATO member, which considered offering asylum to Assange, as did Switzerland, another U.S. ally. More recently, Assange, a citizen of U.S. ally Australia, has been living in London and traveled to Berlin. But today, Ecuador offered Assange residency “with no problems and no conditions.” Perhaps Thiessen would be more comfortable invading Ecuador than England or Germany.

It’s worth noting that going and getting Gen. Manuel Noriega, the former narco-dictator of Panama, as Thiessen suggested, involved a full-scale invasion of the country with 25,000 American troops. Former President George H.W. Bush “broke both international law and [U.S.] government policies” in ordering the invasion in 1989, which resulted in the loss of 23 American servicemembers and the wounding of another 325, the death of hundreds of Panamanians, and major lasting damage to Panama’s economy and capital city. “There was a lot of euphoria because we got rid of Noriega,” Julio Sosa, a former Panamanian diplomat who now lives in Houston, told the Houston Chronicle last year. “But the people have preferred not to remember it. It’s a painful passage for a lot of people. There were a lot of innocent lives lost.”