I tell you I have this theory. It goes where, you're the one who's not my sister. Cuz mom adopted you from a shoe box full of baby howler monkeys, and never told you cuz it could hurt your delicate baby feelings.

Dawn ,'Selfless'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Strega - Nov 19, 2010 9:32:14 pm PST #6444 of 30001

I've evaluated this public resistance, and I think it's shit and I don't want it to inconvenience me because I think it's going to be highly ineffective.

The TSA site says that body screening is optional, and the spokesbeings have repeatedly stressed that. If people en masse take them up on that offer (which I believe is all the big protest groups are recommending) I'm not sure its the individual travelers who are to blame.

I would usually agree with you about how effective its likely to be, but I'm surprised by how much blowback there's been in the past week. I am genuinely sorry for anybody who gets inconvenienced... but I am also genuinely sorry for the people who have been reduced to tears by pat-downs. I don't know how to weigh those things against each other.

And I don't mean that as "you're just being callous and fascist, ita, because that's you all over," because that isn't and you're not and ugh. When I think about it I argue both POVs in my head until I get dizzy and have to stop. All I can say is that I'm suspicious of any system that's set up so that groups of people are pitted against each other this way. Because it really is the worst aspects of mob psychology that get to this point.

Personally, the selfish me want the system changed soon, because the moralistic me might be asked to travel for work this winter. I haven't flown since last Feb (also for work), and as things stand I wouldn't fly again unless it's to leave the country permanently... which I think about doing more and more often. If I have to fly for my job, I'm faced with how serious my objections are, and what if that costs my job. I think that's unlikely... but I don't know for sure. And if it comes to that, are my morals more important than my paycheck? I haven't decided. Which means I'm kind of sickened by myself.


Polter-Cow - Nov 19, 2010 9:35:54 pm PST #6445 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

This weekend I'll be at Asilomar, in a historic lodge designed by Julia Morgan (the architect of Hearst Castle), and then down in San Luis Obispo at the crazy Madonna Inn, where every room has a different theme.

I have been to both those places! Only stayed at the former, though.


Cass - Nov 19, 2010 9:41:42 pm PST #6446 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

When I think about it I argue both POVs in my head until I get dizzy and have to stop.

Me too. I can argue more than two sides even. It's all crazy.


meara - Nov 19, 2010 9:54:52 pm PST #6447 of 30001

Meh. I fly every week. Sometimes multiple round trips. And while I have no desire to be blown up by terrorists, I can also think of many many ways to circumvent the TSA, and figure terrorists can too. So all the security theater, which differs at every airport and every trip ("no, you can't have even a tissue in your pocket...to go through the metal detector??" "your shoes have to not be in a bin! Your baggie should be by itself!"), that someone decided I should have the choice of radiation or gropeage, when neither will save me, makes me irked.


Cass - Nov 19, 2010 10:05:06 pm PST #6448 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And while I have no desire to be blown up by terrorists, I can also think of many many ways to circumvent the TSA, and figure terrorists can too. So all the security theater, which differs at every airport and every trip ("no, you can't have even a tissue in your pocket...to go through the metal detector??" "your shoes have to not be in a bin! Your baggie should be by itself!"), that someone decided I should have the choice of radiation or gropeage, when neither will save me, makes me irked.

Oh, absolutely this. I don't think the theatre makes me safer.

I just don't know which option [cat posted prematurely] of the radiation versus grope. I don't think either make me safe.


Amy - Nov 20, 2010 2:36:49 am PST #6449 of 30001
Because books.

The landlords are replacing the roof, and the roofers showed up at 6:45. They started directly over our bedroom. ::weeps::


Calli - Nov 20, 2010 2:47:10 am PST #6450 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I hope Saturday is better for Dana and Tom.

Allyson, I hope the new kitty can safely be integrated into your household, as it seems he's adopted you.

I'm feeling a bit better today, so I'll at least be making pies for the early Thanksgiving dinner I've been invited to. amyth will be going, so I could probably ask her to take them even if my fever comes back so contagion worries keep me home.


Jesse - Nov 20, 2010 3:59:36 am PST #6451 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Randomly, I jusr heard someone on the TV say "short lived" with a long i. Is that how you're supposed to say that??


Sue - Nov 20, 2010 4:23:39 am PST #6452 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I have never heard it said like that. Maybe if you were talking about something with a short life?

I discovered as I was about to go out and do many errands this AM that I seem to have lost my transit pass. Even if they have my pass, the transit lost and found is open 8-4 Monday to Friday. How inconvenient. By the time I could get there, the month will be over.


Jesse - Nov 20, 2010 4:28:12 am PST #6453 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, that sucks.