Being in the dojo together isn't really a factor since this kid isn't showing any respect, self-discipline or loyalty.

I disagree. If they train together, this kid knows what he's doing is not okay.

Speaking of Tom Hardy, have we seen these: [link]

I find him ridiculous and occasionally quite attractive, but these pictures? Daaaaamn.

Being in the dojo together isn't really a factor since this kid isn't showing any respect, self-discipline or loyalty.

It's totally a factor, since he's being trained to know better, and can possibly be disciplined within the same boundaries. At the centre we never condoned kids fighting outside of the class. That was half the point. It's what you're trying to train out of people.

I disagree. If they train together, this kid knows what he's doing is not okay.

That's actually my point. He doesn't care, or see his behavior as being out of bounds. Training together doesn't create any sense of loyalty for him. He's just being a dick. So the dojo is a non-factor. He might as well be any asshole at school.

I think bleeding from a puncture wound inflicted by a one kid on another is a much a bigger deal and would be certainly thought of as a much bigger deal in a school setting than scraping a knee.

Suzi, I do imagine that the teacher doesn't even know about the situation. Even being on top of things and relatively observant, teachers miss 95% of what goes on. Not from a neglect perspective at all. I'll be interested in hearing what her or his reaction is.

I have had a student who is a 5th year senior. I had him last spring and failed him for both halves of my class. My colleague had him last fall and failed him for both halves of her class. He took the class this summer and failed both halves.

On October 29, he was getting a 94% as he had some sort of epiphany. When he walked in on the first day I blurted out, "Why are you here? No. Really. Why even bother?" But I knew why and our low class numbers mean that we are courting every person. But he was doing well, then he fell off the map and hasn't attended school for 3 weeks.

Last week I'd heard he'd been hospitalized as the result of an accident. I assumed it was skateboard vs. car.

I called the emergency number on his card yesterday. His uncle, who doesn't speak much English, said he'd been recently discharged etc.

He showed up today worried about his grade. I was worried more about him. He said he was helping some people fix a flat tire. The car was on an inadequate jack. He went to get the spare from underneath (it was an SUV) and they shut the door, knocking the car off the jack and smooshing him. YIKES.

I'm also irked that no administration people followed up with him when he went AWOL for 2 weeks. And that no one bothered to call before I did. We no longer have an attendance counselor, but our school counselors have caseloads of less than 300 students each (in a given school year I teach the same number). One would think someone would have called before I did!

Whew, shrift. I thought you were going to link to his nipples.

To reiterate, the kid is not exhibiting the values of the dojo. He has not learned respect or restraint. So, he's no different from a kid who doesn't go to the dojo.

Except as ita notes, the dojo itself can exert some pressure on him.

I thought you were going to link to his nipples.

Huh. A dude in a suit smoking a cigarette and reading a book is more of a hello, nurse! for me, really.

One more post and then I'm stepping away.

CJ is not happy. CJ feels as if no matter who he talks to, J's behavior will not change.

A skinned knee caused by a fall, not a huge deal. A skinned knee caused by another kid pushing him to the ground is different.

Being stabbed, in class, by a pencil and then showing J it caused a puncture wound with bleeding and being laughed at is not cool. The teacher was occupied with other students and was not aware of what was happening between the boys.

CJ is going to talk with the teacher tomorrow and then I will send an e-mail to follow up.

The dojo is still an issue, especially if he is just being "any asshole". J has been called on his lack of control at school before. By his parents and by the senseis. Once either/both of them found out about recent events, the teachings within the dojo will certainly be part of the discussion.

And with that, good night.

I just don't think bleeding is that big a deal. You wouldn't flip out about a skinned knee and that's pretty common and involves more blood.

I think it's hugely situational.

*I've* hurt myself in ways I can shrug off. If another person did that? It would be a big problem.

It's not just the extent of injury, though I am pretty sure that drawing blood in clearly premeditated ways is bad, it's all of the issues behind it and the possibility of where it could escalate.

edit: I hit post before I saw Suzi's post about ending the conversation. I won't press the conversation forward.