Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music.

Host ,'Why We Fight'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2011 3:44:45 pm PST #18967 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that would be more of a scam than a con, ita, but that's just my gut reaction.

But why? I mean, drawing from fiction isn't the best example, but on a recent episode of Hustle they had a con where "something for nothing" meant the mark offered 500 pounds. But an honest person might have seen the same setup and offered 5000. Would it have stopped being a con and then become a scam just because the mark was honest and offered full market value?

A swindle is a swindle. There's nothing I can find in the dictionary definition that makes it not also a con.


msbelle - Jan 25, 2011 3:45:31 pm PST #18968 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

If I had the money, I would look into installing one of these in cutiehead sarameg's basement: [link]


sarameg - Jan 25, 2011 3:49:42 pm PST #18969 of 30001

Hah. Don't think I haven't idly had the same thought. Except it would be ridiculous and INSANE and asking for trouble. Besides, I like going to the Y.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2011 3:53:17 pm PST #18970 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sarameg needs her pool boyfriends and girlfriends. She's got it going on, dog.

Kim Clijsters? Still cute.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 3:58:46 pm PST #18971 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Would it have stopped being a con and then become a scam just because the mark was honest and offered full market value?

That's a really good question. I don't think I saw that Hustle (there are recent episodes?), so I'm not sure what my answer would be.

The whole thing is pretty fuzzy - I don't think it's wrong, as such, to refer to a swindle as a con, but I do think it's an evolution of the term and that saying "you can't con an honest man" refers to the older and more specific usage.


sarameg - Jan 25, 2011 4:04:44 pm PST #18972 of 30001

shrift, sympathies and good guiding wishes.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:01 pm PST #18973 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm sorry, shrift, and good luck with the problematic people.


DavidS - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:51 pm PST #18974 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but I do think it's an evolution of the term and that saying "you can't con an honest man" refers to the older and more specific usage.

Exactly.


amyth - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:56 pm PST #18975 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Much sympathy, shrift, and good luck with the herding.


Sue - Jan 25, 2011 4:07:41 pm PST #18976 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I'm so sorry shrift. Good luck with the people herding.