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Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Dec 28, 2010 5:35:41 pm PST #13375 of 30001

Sleep well! I'm not betting on whether my nephews are asleep. Their schedule got all ferwonked Xmas day when they and PJ took a 6 hour nap. D's isn't so bad, but T? Oy. Child would be wide awake from 6 until 1 am and utterly immoveable before 9. And that's changing tomorrow.

Loki is lying on the suitcase like it's his royal throne. And I'm discovering his shredded paper stores....


Kat - Dec 28, 2010 5:39:45 pm PST #13376 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay, I just got an email from a student. We submitted midterm report cards a week before winter break. The kid had been in class 3 days of the 20 classes we had during that marking period. Final grades won't be submitted until February.

He asked me if he had any chance of passing. He's missed half the semester, the half where we do much of the work, as a matter of fact. If I say no he doesn't, he won't attend school. If I say he does, then I am either lying or willing to give him make up work.

What should I do?


DavidS - Dec 28, 2010 5:46:23 pm PST #13377 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What should I do?

I guess the proper answer is putting the onus of responsibility on him. 3 out of 20 is not even close to enough.

However, I would take into account his willingness or likelihood of him actually turning himself around.

Is it likely that this is a real turning point for him? Or is he simply desperate and postponing something inevitable that he's not ready to deal with yet?


Kat - Dec 28, 2010 5:53:35 pm PST #13378 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Well, given his past track record, I'd say that it doesn't matter so I may as well say, "sure! you could pass, but you have a ton of this work to make up, like 1000 points worth of work which includes 3 compositions of at least 1500, including one on a book you never bothered to read!" because I don't think he'll actually do anything.

I can't remember if I passed him during the last semester (we do a full-year's course in 20 weeks... so every 10 weeks you get a full semester grade). But if he didn't, he still needs to repeat this course. I'm the only teacher of the course and I will be reteaching it in the Spring. So....


Liese S. - Dec 28, 2010 6:00:01 pm PST #13379 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I would probably say no, but I am a hardass. I would probably also have a talk with him about the benefit of attending school even without the pass, but I can see why he wouldn`t. It is generally much easier to keep a student in school than to get him back once he`s left, if you want to take that into consideration in your make-up work. Would you be able to assign enough make-up so that it`s fair to the other students who did show up? Again, hardass, but the vast majority of my students do not graduate.


Liese S. - Dec 28, 2010 6:02:11 pm PST #13380 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Well, and if he has to retake I would definitely stress how this would be a benefit for him if he were to be familiar with the material for the second go-round, but I can see why this would not appeal.


Kat - Dec 28, 2010 6:08:13 pm PST #13381 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Again, hardass, but the vast majority of my students do not graduate.

Me too!

I said, the only way of passing is to make up all the work assigned, attend tutoring every day it is offered after school (it's a 5th period that is mandatory for failing 10th graders and technically I'm in the 10th grade academy though I only teach 12th graders) and attend all of the remaining classes then you have a slim chance of passing.

So I can make it onerous enough that it's a punishment while still giving him (false?) hope.


DavidS - Dec 28, 2010 6:12:29 pm PST #13382 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

So I can make it onerous enough that it's a punishment while still giving him (false?) hope.

I don't think it's false hope. You're offering him a fair chance, that requires a shit-ton of work to make up for what he's blown off.

Odds are he won't, but it's there if he's willing.

That seems very fair to me.


beth b - Dec 28, 2010 6:17:40 pm PST #13383 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

yeah, it comes in the tough but fair category


Cass - Dec 28, 2010 6:19:09 pm PST #13384 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Odds are he won't, but it's there if he's willing.

Really, it's more than fair. No, he won't do it. But you are giving him a chance.