Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
But I rarely think so poorly of a random proposer to think he's the kind of dick who thought he'd get a no if he did it in private, so that's why everyone's around.
I don't think it's deliberate - I have no doubt that guy in video never even questioned what the answer would be. But that doesn't mean he was right in thinking that she would leap at it, and if she's not 100% sure, or having doubts herself, the effect is still there.
I'd guess that most public proposals are happening after the couple in question has had several "we should get married someday" conversations to the point where the actual asking is a formality, in which case peer pressure doesn't apply.
If it's a surprise public proposal, HELL NO THAT IS NOT OKAY.
OK, yeah, that sounds about right.
I don't know -- I had a friend who got surprise-proposed to in a restaurant, and said no, and that was bad enough. I'm generally skeptical of Event Proposals of any kind, though. I kind of figure you should both decide that you want to get married together, and do it via conversation.
Gah Jesse, you're just SO SENSIBLE!
I never saw the original Tron. That means demerits, right?
Me, I'm always going to vote for a no and a glass of beverage to the face, because that's how I roll.
So much magic in her heart. Makes me all sniffly.
I can't see a guy undertaking that sort of event proposal without either a) having a pretty good sense of what the answer is going to be, or b) being totally crazy asking-on-the-second-date guy, in which case he deserves a no.
We watched the original
Tron
last Friday. It was pretty fun, and very shiny. It's so weird to think about how it must have been received at the time because it's...pretty different.
I kind of figure you should both decide that you want to get married together, and do it via conversation.
This. One of my best friends and her boyfriend have been together so long that everyone assumes they're married. They bought a house together. However, if he proposed publicly without a thorough discussion with her, it would be an automatic "no."
Which is why around this time every year his family thinks they'll have a big announcement that never comes.
My favorite "what, me worry?" Bible verse is:
"Consider the lilies of the fields, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these." (Matthew 6:28-29)
FTR, I had to look up the chapter&verse, but I remembered the quote. Funny what sticks in your head.
Gah Jesse, you're just SO SENSIBLE!
Also old. And possibly unromantic.
I think enlisting several thousand people who want to be entertained and will cheer at the proposal recipient to hurry up and say yes before play starts up again qualifies as pressure. Now, maybe in some cases she's a diehard fan of [insert team name here] and the proposal is her dream come true. But I don't think that's true most of the time.
Of course, I disapprove to a lesser extent of any proposal that happens with an audience, like at a holiday celebration with extended family around or a party amongst friends. To my way of thinking it's an extremely important private moment that should just involve the couple, not an audience. Announcements—to one's nearest and dearest or the city of Philadelphia—should be made after an affirmative answer.
I certainly wouldn't want a public proposal. But I'm sure there are ladies out there, possibly with some narcissism in 'em, who wouldn't mind.
Another thing? Never knew this before getting engaged, but jaycees crisco, do you get asked about it. That story better be interesting! And remembered!