No studying? Damn! Next thing they'll tell me is I'll have to eat jelly doughnuts or sleep with a supermodel to get things done around here. I ask you, how much can one man give?

Xander ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Aug 17, 2010 11:16:01 am PDT #18464 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Wait. I thought the Civil War was about Vikings?

Caused when Favre went from the Packers to the Vikings?


Jessica - Aug 17, 2010 11:17:16 am PDT #18465 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think the nuance is that slavery was not just about morality but about money. So the war was not necessarily because the great northern people wanted to rescue the poor enslaved black people, but also because of money.

But even then, the money in question was mostly property in the form of slaves and agricultural products produced with slave labor. There's really no way to study the Civil War with any degree of intellectual honesty and say with a straight face that "it wasn't about slavery."

[dang, I type slow]


Sophia Brooks - Aug 17, 2010 11:21:12 am PDT #18466 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think the "not about slavery" thing came about as a simplification of the "not about morals", is what I am trying to say. That is, from personal experience, upstate NY schools in the 1980's taught about the Civil War as if every Northern Person was a completely non-racially prejudiced abolishionist on a crusade to free slaves. So it was a little shocking to realize there were other reasons that "it was wrong", at least to me personally. Sort of like discovering that White People coming to american wasn't all Indian Corn and Thanksgiving as it was taught to me.


Aims - Aug 17, 2010 11:23:33 am PDT #18467 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

White People coming to american wasn't all Indian Corn and Thanksgiving

WTFF?? It's NOT? But the Indians LOVED the Pilgrims and were THANKFUL they brought their domesticated animals and syphilis!!


Jesse - Aug 17, 2010 11:23:39 am PDT #18468 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, absolutely. If you think "it was about slavery" means "it was to free the slaves, because slavery is wrong" then you've got some truth to learn. That doesn't make it NOT about slavery.


Steph L. - Aug 17, 2010 11:25:32 am PDT #18469 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

WTFF?? It's NOT? But the Indians LOVED the Pilgrims and were THANKFUL they brought their domesticated animals and syphilis!!

The FUNNY syphillis.


tommyrot - Aug 17, 2010 11:26:06 am PDT #18470 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The FUNNY syphillis.

Wasn't there also a bear?


Aims - Aug 17, 2010 11:26:34 am PDT #18471 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

The FUNNY syphillis.

Q: How many Pilgrims does it take to wipe out an entire indigenous race?

A: One!

BWahahahahahahahaha!


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 17, 2010 11:27:23 am PDT #18472 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I do think there were other tensions that contributed a great deal to the North/South animosity - there's still a cultural divide between rural and urban areas today after 145 years of no-slavery farming, for instance. And I've seen plenty of people from the northern half of the country immediately write off someone upon hearing a Southern accent without waiting to see if what's actually said is ignorant or bigoted. But abolition was the issue that drove states to secede, and that's the one that is morally indefensible.


amych - Aug 17, 2010 11:30:59 am PDT #18473 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think it must be the fact that it's 4:30 and I have deadlines and shit, but I'm now COMPLETELY OBSESSED with what the FUCK the vikings have to do with anything?? Because has anyone denied that they were in the Americas before Columbus? And why are they trying to build a mosque in my parents' neighborhood anyway? THEY'RE LUTHERANS!