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Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Liese S. - Feb 21, 2010 6:17:52 pm PST #9778 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

You rang? I was watching on tape delay because the SO was on the road but we just caught up and OMG I did not expect that! I`m still calling Slovakia for the whole thing because both Russia and Canada look eminently beatable. The Czechs were way closer than it seemed in that game, too. I`m looking forward to Finns/Swedes tonight too. Super Sunday!


megan walker - Feb 21, 2010 6:19:00 pm PST #9779 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

So...wait, flamenco was okay for someone else to do, but Aboriginal dance wasn't?

I think the issue was the costumes, not the dance.


Hil R. - Feb 21, 2010 6:20:24 pm PST #9780 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

So...wait, flamenco was okay for someone else to do, but Aboriginal dance wasn't? Was the Aboriginal dance more poorly sourced and performed than the flamenco?

The Aboriginal dance was choreographed mostly from watching a few videos. The original costumes had the male partner in a brown bodysuit with designs to look like paint on dark skin. A bunch of Aboriginal leaders complained, and the Russians responded with, essentially, "But we meant it as a tribute! We're honoring you! Stop complaining!"

I don't know much about the background of this particular flamenco routine. I do know that the Americans who did the Indian dance worked with an Indian choreographer and were doing an interpretation of a specific Indian folk dance, not just piecing together something that looked sorta Indianish.


Hil R. - Feb 21, 2010 6:27:35 pm PST #9781 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Also, this quote from their coach is just full of fail.

“Aboriginal, it translates from Latin language, it’s from the beginning,” Linichuk said. “We try to represent a picture of this time when aboriginal people start being in the world. It’s no customs, no country, nothing.”


askye - Feb 21, 2010 6:35:46 pm PST #9782 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

There were issues with the music not being authentic as well.

I had read that the Russian officials weren't going to let the dancers make any changes to their routine or to the costumes. Although obviously they did make changes.


Kat - Feb 21, 2010 6:36:40 pm PST #9783 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Liese, I'm surprised at the beatablility of the Canadians!

I totally wish we could back up to Vancouver next weekend. I didn't have enough fun! I'm not done with the Olympics yet! I'm not going to Russia in four years (or London in 2)! WANT MOAR!


§ ita § - Feb 21, 2010 6:40:57 pm PST #9784 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Fake dark skin and that quotation from the coach are pretty damned fail. I do think using the term Aborigine to mean Australian Aborigine is sloppy, especially at a Canadian event, but from the costume I saw at the link they're pretty clearly not being generic, and if they were, good luck with that.


Dana - Feb 21, 2010 6:43:32 pm PST #9785 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

“We try to represent a picture of this time when aboriginal people start being in the world. It’s no customs, no country, nothing.”

That's just another version of "Oh, I'm color-blind."


Hil R. - Feb 21, 2010 6:44:35 pm PST #9786 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Fake dark skin and that quotation from the coach are pretty damned fail. I do think using the term Aborigine to mean Australian Aborigine is sloppy, especially at a Canadian event, but from the costume I saw at the link they're pretty clearly not being generic, and if they were, good luck with that.

They seem to have stopped trying to convince anyone that they meant generic Aborigine. According to an article from a few days ago, the coach is now carrying around some photos of Australian Aborigines wearing something vaguely similar to the costumes and showing them to anyone who complains, as proof that the costumes are authentic.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 21, 2010 7:09:56 pm PST #9787 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Having just seen Ya lyublyu tebya I leapt to the assumption they were performing traditional Mongolian or Kalmyk dances in yellowface before I followed the link.