No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 04, 2009 9:49:15 am PST #22979 of 30001
What is even happening?

Can an eleven year-old even get a library card without a parent to sign for it?

When Ben got his library card (maybe he was first or second grade, I can't even remember), I took all three kids down and got them cards. Julia and Chris were probably toddlers or just out of toddlerhood, so I must have signed, even though they were all like, "I have my rights!"

I pay the fricking bill when they lose the books, I'll tell you what.


Sparky1 - Dec 04, 2009 9:50:59 am PST #22980 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

Is this some sort of library code (perhaps in response to the intrusive Patriot Act) or is it a legal right, or what?

The ALA says (in its recommendations for developing privacy policies):

Librarians should not breach a minor's confidentiality by giving out information readily available to the parent from the minor directly. Libraries should take great care to limit the extenuating circumstances in which they release such information.

eta: And while minors do not have the same privacy rights as adults, they do have some rights to privacy. Where the lines are varies from state to state.


Ginger - Dec 04, 2009 9:53:33 am PST #22981 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Is this some sort of library code (perhaps in response to the intrusive Patriot Act) or is it a legal right, or what?

She had no way of knowing who you were. For all she knows, you were a crazy visiting relative.

Bless her. The fact that the library didn't care what I checked out and my parents didn't pay attention probably preserved whatever dregs of sanity I have. If someone had told my dad what I was checking out, there would have been one more round of him screaming at me. It could have been a perfectly innocuous book that he decided was a waste of time.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2009 9:59:11 am PST #22982 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

maybe the material of the chair makes his trousers pill, or maybe it itches him through the fabric of trousers?

He's in jeans. And he carefully adjusted the towel before he sat down this morning, so he's still paying attention to it.

a girl he knew in high school who was from one of the Nigerian noble families, and she hated everyone who didn't look exactly like her

I have a cousin who hates Nigerians because she thinks they're the only black people whose superiority complex tops the Jamaican one. And the last thing she wants is her sense of superiority topped. Which takes some doing. I don't know enough Nigerians to have a sense of their national identity in that way, but I'm pretty unlikely to agree with her. There is a big culture divide, and I bristle when black Americans call me sister, or when anyone calls me African-American. It's just not that simple.


javachik - Dec 04, 2009 9:59:12 am PST #22983 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

While it might be annoying, I think it's good. A kid can check out a book on human sexuality and a parent doesn't need to know (esp. if the parent doesn't think it's a topic s/he worth talking about).


Jessica - Dec 04, 2009 9:59:20 am PST #22984 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If someone had told my dad what I was checking out, there would have been one more round of him screaming at me. It could have been a perfectly innocuous book that he decided was a waste of time.

That's a good point.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2009 10:02:22 am PST #22985 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whew! Maybe it's not his SQL after all. Further investigation shows some discrepancy between data that should be the same in two different schemas. That's a much shorter conversation, and one I can illustrate easily.


Strix - Dec 04, 2009 10:07:35 am PST #22986 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Hee. I remember trying to check out stuff from the Adult section (not like XXXAdult, just not from the Kids section) and the librarian refused to do it -- I was 7 or so. My mom was all "WTF? She can check out whatever the hell she wants!"

She got my kiddo book limit upped to - there was a 3 book max if you were a certain age, and Mom was all "We live in the country. She will be done with 3 books in 2 hours. Do you see the grocery sack I brought? Please, give her as many as she wants."

Bless my mom and dad. Daddy also defended my book rights. One day in 6th grade -- after I was done with my schoolwork, I might add -- my teacher "caught" me reading a book. It was -- gasp!- a Silhouette Desire. Remember, with the flaming red COVERS OF SIN?

She marched me down to the principal's office, and called my parents. Innappropriate, unsuitable, porn OMFG in the classroom!

Daddy was home sick, which happened like once every 5 years. Heh. He came down like the logical wrath of god on her head. "Was she done with her work?"

"Er..yes. But this book is just --"

"Are you telling me what I should or should not allow my child to read?"

"Um, well, but in the classroom, this..."

"WE are the ones who make the decisions regarding what Erin is capable of reading. WE have discussed material in books with her. WE decide what she can or cannot read. And WE have decided she is capable of reading this book."

Bless him, I think he would have done the same thing if I had been reading "A Child's Guide to Porn -- Find Out How!" He was pissed.

I got home, and he looked at the book in question ("The Cowboy Zillionaire's Secret Baby Mama Virgin Bride" or some such), snorted, and lumbered over to the bookshelf, picked out the bodice-ripper with the most lurid, pornoriffic cover, and told me to take that book to school tomorrow.

There are reasons I adore my father.


tommyrot - Dec 04, 2009 10:09:01 am PST #22987 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've never said this before, but Erin's dad is awesome!


Kathy A - Dec 04, 2009 10:14:09 am PST #22988 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Erin, I love both your parents, but especially your dad!!

I had an English teacher in high school pick up my Silhouette Desire book off the top of my stack of books before class started. She then proceeded to open the book all the way up, bending the front cover to the back cover (arrrrgh!!!) and then read a random passage in a very mocking way. It really pissed me off to no end that she felt the need to mock my reading choice to the entire class, not to mention the way she mangled my book.