Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Nov 15, 2009 12:16:18 pm PST #19390 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm pretty sure the limit of confidentiality is harm to self or others. I'm not certain how it covers someone telling his psychologist what he did do, but I'm nearly certain that the psychologist has an obligation to tell the police if the patient says he's going to hurt somebody.


megan walker - Nov 15, 2009 12:26:49 pm PST #19391 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

From the FAQ on a friend's therapy site:

In general, the law protects the confidentiality of all communications between a client and a psychotherapist. Information is not disclosed without written permission. However, there are number of exceptions to this rule.

Exceptions include:

•Suspected child abuse or dependant adult or elder abuse. The therapist is required by law to report this to the appropriate authorities immediately.
•If a client is threatening serious bodily harm to another person or persons, the therapist must notify the police and inform the intended victim.
•If a client intends to harm himself or herself, the therapist will make every effort to enlist their cooperation in insuring their safety. If they do not cooperate, further measures may be taken without their permission in order to ensure their safety.


Zenkitty - Nov 15, 2009 12:27:17 pm PST #19392 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

That's what I thought too, Hil. But what if the client says he has harmed people, never says he plans to again, but the doctor knows he most likely will? Like, again, with Soprano's shrink, she must have known he'd killed people, and that he would do it again, even if he was smart enough never to say so.

eta Just read you, megan. I'm getting that it's a matter of "clear and present danger", then, and the doctor's informed opinion isn't enough to send him to the police, without a direct statement from the client. Like, he knows, but has neither evidence, threat, nor confession, and thus can't do anything.


tommyrot - Nov 15, 2009 12:28:05 pm PST #19393 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm not certain how it covers someone telling his psychologist what he did do, but I'm nearly certain that the psychologist has an obligation to tell the police if the patient says he's going to hurt somebody.

What if the psychologist has a time machine? Say he goes into the future and his patient tells him of a murder he committed. Should the psychologist go back into the past and prevent the murder?

Sorry, I just woke up from a nap.


Scrappy - Nov 15, 2009 12:28:45 pm PST #19394 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Stood and danced (along with the entiree audience) for the whole They Might be Giants concert last night and it was fabulous! Today we gardened and pruned in the front yard, so it no longer looks derelict. Am now at work and feeling exhausted. We bailed on friends we have season tickets with to go see Parade tonight since both DH and I have seen it before and we are both just too tired from all of our pogoing and pruning.


Zenkitty - Nov 15, 2009 12:30:21 pm PST #19395 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

tommy, stop helping me!


Vortex - Nov 15, 2009 12:49:32 pm PST #19396 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

That's what I thought too, Hil. But what if the client says he has harmed people, never says he plans to again, but the doctor knows he most likely will? Like, again, with Soprano's shrink, she must have known he'd killed people, and that he would do it again, even if he was smart enough never to say so.

I think that the psychiatrist only has an obligation if there is a specific threat. She knows that he will kill again, but doesn't know who. Even if she can identify a likely target (i.e. "Big Pussy's been giving me trouble, I'm going to have to take care of him"), there must be a specific threat, i.e. "I'm going to shoot him in the head the next time I see him"


Kathy A - Nov 15, 2009 1:35:18 pm PST #19397 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Happy birthday, sumi!!

Watching the beginning of Serenity on SciFi (I refuse to call it SyFy). First time I've seen it since I started watching Bones--didn't know Cam was River's teacher! Also fun to re-recognize one of the background players from West Wing as the doctor's assistant in River's testing/torture lab.


Stephanie - Nov 15, 2009 1:42:12 pm PST #19398 of 30001
Trust my rage

My recollection is the same as Vortex's. Speaking of which, I just discovered that to get a CO law license, not only do I have to take the CO bar exam, but I also have to take the ethics (MPRE) exam again. Not happy.


bon bon - Nov 15, 2009 1:48:49 pm PST #19399 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I just saw the funniest "OMG my parents are on Facebook!" post and reply:

Friend: is supporting gay filmmaking today.

Reply: And you aren't even gay! How cool of you....BTW, are you coming over for Thanksgiving? Love Mom

Oh yeah he is, Mom!